Puttin On Airs 11/20 Transcipt-Joe Martin: America's Greatest Monkey Silent Film Star!

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Corey Ryan Forrester (09:45.809)

aye.

Aye, okay. I was just making sure he was comfortable lad.

Corey Ryan Forrester (09:55.345)

Yeah, we are. As soon as we know we're doing it, whenever you go, let's go, bro.

Corey Ryan Forrester (10:11.099)

It's Joe. Are you sure?

Trae (10:11.97)

Wait a minute, don't Will Ferrell do that in something? Are we doing this? Are we doing this? Yeah, I can't remember. It's a thing. It's a thing from our comedic youth. There's a guy humorously yelling, we doing this?

Corey Ryan Forrester (10:15.025)

Wedding crashers. Or old school. Yeah, I remember that too.

Speaking of, you just reminded me of Will Ferrell and wedding crashers. My dad just literally randomly yesterday sent that clip of when Owen Wilson realizes that he's hit bottom because he's funeral crashing with Will Ferrell and Will Ferrell gives one of the greatest, just one scene performances of comedy when he's sitting there holding that girl at the funeral and he's like, Joe, Joe, damn you, Joe.

God damn you, Joe, please. And he just starts looking over him like, and it's just classic. Like Will Ferrell, Will Ferrell, like I know that for a lot of people he wore out his welcome, but that's just because why wouldn't you invite that guy for a while? You know what I mean? Like he was just absolutely classic. By the way, you were talking about, and we'll get into whatever you want to get into, but I just want to briefly touch on this. You mentioned during one of our ad reads about the food pyramid and I just wanted to go on record as to saying.

Trae (10:53.09)

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Trae (11:06.68)

Mm-hmm.

Trae (11:16.92)

Yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (11:20.685)

fuck whoever did that.

Trae (11:23.83)

Yeah. You mean came up with it at all? I think maybe I brought, brought this exact thing up not all that long ago, I think, cause we started talking about how it was lobbyist and shit like that. Cause I, yeah, because I, cause I know I I've got a, I'm doing a bit about it. I'm not doing a larger, right? I'm doing a larger chunk about school, the school that I went to. And as a part of that, I bring up the food pyramid.

Corey Ryan Forrester (11:29.179)

We probably did.

Corey Ryan Forrester (11:33.403)

Okay, we can move on, but it's not hip for me.

Corey Ryan Forrester (11:38.769)

Yeah, that's why we were talking about it.

Corey Ryan Forrester (11:44.787)

Yeah.

Trae (11:49.364)

And I had mentioned that before and we started talking about, cause I told you initially, tried to then go into all the lobbyist stuff. Like at first I tried to then do a whole bit about lobbyists. Turns out lobbyists are not that funny of a concept, or at least I'm not funny enough to make them that funny of a concept, but, but.

Corey Ryan Forrester (11:55.826)

Right.

Corey Ryan Forrester (12:04.305)

Yeah, I think I could hit just, I could hit with it. Just saying lobbyist a bunch, cause I'm stupid. You're too smart sometimes.

Trae (12:10.306)

Yeah, well, food pyramid is wild as hell, truly. But you know, I mean, like, I mean, if you think about it, I feel like didn't peasants and shit, didn't they just like only at bread? You know what I'm saying?

Corey Ryan Forrester (12:13.491)

my god, hey!

Corey Ryan Forrester (12:22.075)

Well, until Jesus came along and famously told everybody man cannot live by bread alone. Yeah.

Trae (12:27.702)

Yeah, but I don't think people really cared whether peasants lived or died as a rule. So even though man cannot man cannot live by bread alone, they were like, but those idiots can have just bread.

Corey Ryan Forrester (12:35.185)

They can. Yeah. You know, that's it. That actually is interesting because like the peasants in the medieval times and stuff. Boy, we got it right back to the program. Didn't we? Peasants in the medieval times. obviously if you think about the peasant equivalent to now it's, you know, someone that Bezos wants to whip on the back with a cat-a-nine tail. So like you do have an interest as a Lord or whatever to keep them alive and relatively healthy because you want to, you know,

Trae (12:44.92)

Mm-hmm.

Trae (13:03.886)

Yeah. Yes. I feel like they didn't hardly ever get meat unless they just like happened to corner a rat or something. Steal the Lord's goose and then get hung. know, pretty much the only way you ever got meat. Cause I just feel like they just had, yeah, they just had bread and then like also they

Corey Ryan Forrester (13:04.839)

But meat is expensive and like...

No, no, no, no, no, that's, that's my point that I'm about to get into is like.

Their neck is too weak, so their head just falls off.

Trae (13:28.066)

put some water in a pot with a particularly salty rock and like one old turnip or whatever. the family would like sip on that for a week along with their bread. And it's like, that's to me in my head, that's what peasants were eating, you know.

Corey Ryan Forrester (13:31.527)

Yes, yes!

Yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (13:43.571)

I couldn't agree more. And if they were getting meat, it was certainly rotten. But like, I guess my point is, like, we live in a time in history where like, if you were a vegan, even 10, 15 years ago, you, there wasn't as much information out there on how to supplement the protein with not having animal protein. as now there's like, there's tons of things that we now know that you can do like,

Trae (13:48.13)

Yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (14:13.371)

yogurt, know, garbanzo beans, things like this, but they didn't have that information back then. And of course they didn't know what protein was, but like

Trae (14:20.11)

My uncle Tim was tall. He was a vegetarian for most of his life. And when he was probably in his forties or something, but this, mean, that was, we're talking like late nineties era, a Southern doctor, but a doctor like told uncle Tim like, doctor's orders. have to, you have to eat meat again. Like the doctor told him, was like, you're wasting away. You're too, you know, you're, too frail and way fish. You know, you're not a man, but anyway, the doctor was like,

Corey Ryan Forrester (14:37.223)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right.

Right, because he probably was. Yeah, well.

Trae (14:48.302)

I command you medically to eat meat again because you're not getting enough protein. And like you said now, mean, we know that that's ridiculous. I eat meat because it hits for me, but there's plenty of places to get protein instead. And now people know that.

Corey Ryan Forrester (14:57.67)

Me too. Me too.

But as you know, go, because of my heart, I do vegan twice a week and it's surprisingly, only doing it twice a week is surprisingly not, not only is it not hard, like I've actually found that I, I look forward to it because I like these dishes, but like, yeah, you eat a bunch and maybe they were eating a bunch of beans and they didn't know that, I know that there wasn't a discussion of like, all right, we're going to have to make sure these peasants get protein. Like I know that wasn't a discussion, but like how many people back then died

Trae (15:26.392)

No.

Corey Ryan Forrester (15:30.803)

just because they either weren't getting any protein and didn't know you were supposed to, or only ate protein and didn't get the carbs that they needed because there was just no information at all, probably accounts for a lot.

Trae (15:45.4)

But before that and we was like cavemans, was, it wasn't, but it would not, cause like the women would like, we just didn't know how to grow nothing. But like the men would go out and know, fight a mammoth with a stick while her lazy ass is picking berries. anyway, yeah, but then it's, but I mean, that is how it worked. They would, you know, they'd forage.

Corey Ryan Forrester (15:50.469)

It would just make. You date the vegetables.

Right.

Corey Ryan Forrester (16:04.871)

BITCH

That's true, yeah. I'd rather hunt a mammoth. No, I wouldn't. I'd rather make the salad.

Trae (16:14.208)

Yeah, for sure. mean, you know, if he was with you boys and it'd be fun until like, dies and you get gored, which would happen, you know, periodically because then you would die too.

Corey Ryan Forrester (16:17.555)

Yeah, kind of would here. And it's like, hey, if I...

Yeah. Yeah, but at the same time, would have nothing to base it on because you only know your life, but like it's not like it would hit to be alive back then. So it's like, if I get gored to death, you know, whatever that.

Trae (16:36.702)

No, I think I brought this up on episode like weeks or months ago, but that famous book Sapiens, know, which is great, great book. But he consistently makes the argument throughout that book that every single great leap that we made as a species, every big technological jump or paradigm shift, which the first one was going from hunter gatherers to like it was the agricultural revolution. Well, actually, technically.

Corey Ryan Forrester (16:44.841)

yeah, I love it. I love it.

Corey Ryan Forrester (16:56.851)

came as necessity and

Corey Ryan Forrester (17:03.313)

Right. Dwellers and farmers.

Trae (17:04.802)

Technically the first one was the cognitive resolution revolution, which is basically when we went from like monkeys with yeah, yeah, to yeah, being able to, being able to lie basically, cause he makes the case in there that lying and being able to lie was the thing that separated homo sapiens from all the other almost humans that we had over the years.

Corey Ryan Forrester (17:08.699)

Words.

Yeah. Could not recommend that book more, even though, yes, being able to lie.

Corey Ryan Forrester (17:24.177)

You were never gonna have business without it.

Trae (17:26.24)

And so, or religion, very importantly, all of which are things that band people together in a united purpose, which is why we succeeded as a species. Instead of just only killing each other with rocks and stuff, like we get together in one group and be like, we killed that group with rocks and we still do that to this day. But that's better than what all the other monkey people were doing before we came through.

Corey Ryan Forrester (17:42.747)

Yeah, which would be fun.

Trae (17:50.856)

Anyway, except for maybe the cognitive revolution, the next I'm pretty sure the next one was the agricultural revolution, which is when we learned how to grow shit, right? And raise shit, raise animals, grow crops, then we could stay in the same place. We didn't have to keep moving around. That led to towns, cities, settlements, fucking industry, religion, all this stuff. But anyway, he tries to make the case at every big leap up along the way.

Corey Ryan Forrester (18:00.999)

Yeah, and then we could dwell more.

Trae (18:17.548)

I think agriculture, then industrial and then technological, I think, are what they are. And he tries to make the case that every one of those, that those did not hit and we were better off before that, that, that it really, that those were all actually bad things in terms of quality of life. But I just don't know that like being in a group of like five of your cousins and you all have to like kill something or die every day. And also it's tigers with fucking.

Corey Ryan Forrester (18:20.915)

Mm-hmm.

Corey Ryan Forrester (18:27.302)

Well,

Trae (18:46.338)

you know, fangs the size of butcher knives that will eat yo ass and or your baby and you're just living off nuts and whatever you managed to, you know, kill without it killing you. just that don't I mean, I guess I'm no Joe Rogan, but that don't I just don't really hit for me. I feel like us getting past that was an improvement. The other ones, whatever, I guess you can argue, especially the technological one. But but that

Corey Ryan Forrester (19:05.715)

Well, let me.

Corey Ryan Forrester (19:15.399)

Well, I'll, I'll,

Trae (19:16.588)

I'm glad we ain't no meds no more is all I'm saying.

Corey Ryan Forrester (19:19.803)

to him glad we're not nomads for sure, but I will counter just to be devil's advocate because I too have read this book and I remember several passages that basically gave this same thesis, but in different words because you don't want to repeat yourself or whatever. It's a huge recurring theme. Basically one thing he was saying, I think it's a he, it don't matter. One thing they were saying, yep, there you go.

Trae (19:34.54)

It's a recurring theme throughout the whole book. He keeps making that point.

Trae (19:44.878)

It's an Israeli feller, which is fine.

Corey Ryan Forrester (19:47.441)

Yeah, of course that's fine. It's great, great even. So anyways, he was talking about how one of the themes in that was that at every huge jump that we made, that you would think it would mean life was easier for everybody in the sense that you would have to do less work, right? But actually more was required of you, which is like now the similar thing can be said about the technological

Trae (19:49.966)

Mm-hmm. Yep.

Trae (20:07.106)

Yeah, no, right. It was harder for most people. Right.

Corey Ryan Forrester (20:15.879)

thing and like AI, this should make everything easier, but it's actually making everything harder. but, not what, of course, of

Trae (20:22.252)

Not for everybody though, for a small group of people, their life greatly improves. The equivalent of rich people, rich people and nobles and lords and stuff. All these jumps make their lives better, but most regular people, makes their lives worse. He makes that case for every, every, you know, jump that we've ever made.

Corey Ryan Forrester (20:29.682)

Yes.

Yes. Yes. Well, well, I'm only, yeah. And I'm speaking for the regular people because I am one and that's who I care about Sandustia industries. Anyways, he had also mentioned it was either in the book or something else I had read that was diagnosing the book or summarizing it or whatever. That like a lot of that, a lot of how, a lot of what makes it really bad every time we make one of these jumps is because

our brains don't evolve that quickly. Like our brains are still closer to caveman than they are to understanding AI and shit like that. And it all just happened so quick that like you went from, the bugger thing simple, me kill you, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And that we've basically just advanced too quickly all at once. Like the industrial revolution begat so many things and it just started exponentially growing.

what all we had to keep up with, what all we had to do. And now with technology, it's yada yada. And our brains, like obviously our brains have evolved since the caveman time, but they haven't evolved enough since just the start of the industrial revolution to right now, to be able to compute everything that's happening to us. And also that our brain doesn't have a, what's it, what's it called? Enough memory, RAM storage to be able to just hold all of this stuff in there.

Trae (21:55.81)

Mm-hmm.

Corey Ryan Forrester (21:58.299)

Right? And it's like the one something somebody said to me once was like, you know, you get, you get overwhelmed with like getting a lot of text messages or email and you feel like a bag of dirt for not responding and stuff. it's like, this is the only time in human history, even when you were younger, it wasn't possible that people are expected to have 24 hour access to your life. Like mentally we have not upgraded to being able to handle that and thus things feel worse. So that's my two cents.

Trae (22:25.326)

Yeah, that, did we talk about that at the wedding or something? Or did someone else bring this up to me? I'm having deja vu right now, because I think I've had this conversation before, but I'm not, okay. But not on here though.

Corey Ryan Forrester (22:29.967)

I've brought it up to you. You have with me. You have with me because you saw you saw a screenshot that I sent where I had 400 something unread text messages. And so, of course, I had to cite this, which it's a double edged sword, buddy. I'll tell you that much right now.

Trae (22:40.46)

Yeah. Right.

Trae (22:46.104)

Yeah, that's what it was. You're sharp made me think of something and then something you said made me...

Corey Ryan Forrester (22:49.167)

Yeah. You know what my shirt should make you think of? We have putting on airs merch now, buddy. We do. Well, I was going to mention earlier, we have POA merch now. I don't have it pulled up here, Trey. While I'm talking, go to coreyshirts.com and share your screen. So we have POA merch. Our friend Aria, those of you over at We Love Corey. Corey, coreyshirts.com. Just my name's shirts.com. What?

Trae (22:51.82)

March. Yeah, that's not what it me think of, but that is, yeah, you're right. But yeah.

Trae (23:07.822)

Corey's shirts.com.

go.

Corey Ryan Forrester (23:15.655)

That's I'll change the domain, bro. But you get on to me for that. You fucking can't have it both ways. You it's been I'll change it, but you'll be like, yet another domain for Corey. That's what it is. I also I also own putting on shirts dot com, but I haven't linked it to it yet. No, no, no. Hold on. Fuck you, man, because again, I'm going to do that. But you can't have it both ways where you're like, so this points to this and this points to this. And you know what I'm saying?

Trae (23:17.496)

Okay.

Trae (23:21.358)

What do you mean?

Trae (23:27.768)

That this is.

Trae (23:32.876)

Okay. All right.

Corey Ryan Forrester (23:44.019)

Like you can't have it fucking both ways, bro.

Trae (23:46.058)

No, I was laughing for a couple of different reasons. First of all, the sheer number of different domains that you haven't used is I feel, I don't know how this is inconsistent with me having made that a running joke before that you're pitching a different URL every other week.

Corey Ryan Forrester (24:01.189)

I thought you were mad. I thought you were mad that it's Corey shirts.com and now your stuff is on there too.

Trae (24:07.328)

That was the other reason that I was laughing. There's actually, three reasons. There's three whole reasons that I laughed at that domain name, coreyshirts.com. One, again, the sheer number of URLs that you use and have used in just the past 365 days alone. if, and especially beyond, which I've consistently made fun, know, given you shit for.

Corey Ryan Forrester (24:25.681)

Mm-hmm. It's my stocks.

Corey Ryan Forrester (24:33.095)

I know, that's the reason for my argument. Well, that's been there. I've had that for over a year.

Trae (24:34.05)

So, well, this is add another one to the list, which is funny. Number two, yes. I was like, of course he named it Corey Shirts. then, I, cause you you told me it's like, Hey, we've got some POA shirts now and that's all, you know, that's all that I know. And I'm like, it's so raving that he just named it Corey Shirts. And then when I typed in, and then when I typed in the URL, as I was thinking that it pops up and there's...

Corey Ryan Forrester (24:51.571)

I didn't know, I didn't know.

Trae (24:58.222)

pictures of you shirtless, flexing and posing sexily and all this stuff. And I was like, that just made it even more Raven and funny to me. It's like, it's this whole thing is just a monument to just him. And then also the final one is that it feels to me is like, thought you said Cory's shirts, which I feel like makes sense grammatically. And then, and also you can't tell the difference when you say those two, Cory shirts. Did I say it with an S or without an S? You can't, you can't.

Corey Ryan Forrester (25:00.167)

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, By the way, but Trey, you know, motherfucker, you know.

Corey Ryan Forrester (25:18.323)

Sure. Sure.

Corey Ryan Forrester (25:24.775)

That's true. is dumb. Yeah. I usually type it out instead of say it. Yeah.

Trae (25:28.226)

You can't tell. So that part was funny to me too. So there was like a bunch of different layers of things that were funny to me about that all at once.

Corey Ryan Forrester (25:32.337)

Well, I also own putting on merch.com. I own putting on merch.com. I own poamurch.com. We'll get it pointed, whichever one you want. But Trey, also, you know this, those shirts just went live today. I haven't had time to change shit, motherfucker. Like they just went live and I was like, any goddamn way. What a pitch. Go to coreyshirts.com. They do hit share your screen. Show them.

Trae (25:52.078)

They do hit.

I think that, I think that that pitch is good for people. I could be wrong, but, there they are. These on the left.

Corey Ryan Forrester (26:01.649)

Yeah. The stay fancy y'all with the monocle and the mustache. And of course our logo. Now we are currently working on more behind the scenes. We meaning not Trey, by the way, just me. And then he's going to bitch at me for everything. also, and by the way, just if you're watching, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Trae (26:19.115)

So here, this is our merch website, everybody. This is our merch website right here. can find.

Corey Ryan Forrester (26:24.787)

Well, again, no, it's not, it will be, but it was just mine and I knew you weren't going to do it, but yeah, you can get all these other shirts from me, which does, does hit for me that it's all on there. you can get gerrymander stuff. can get buttercream dream stuff. you, there's one t-shirt that just says, this is my cornbread shirt. I don't know. so anyways, coreyshirts.com C O R E Y shirts.com to get your putting on airs merch. And, honestly, by the time people are there,

Since we record on Wednesday, that look, all that shit will have already changed. So, you know, what are you going to do?

Trae (27:00.224)

Yeah, get you a shirt, make a hit. The shirt you're wearing right now made me think of, can you either go and find and read to me, or I'm thinking possibly recite perfectly from memory that famous Hulk Hogan tweet about shoots and works or whatever? Because it's like one of my all time favorites. Anytime I ever see it or read it or hear it, it just cracks me up.

Corey Ryan Forrester (27:16.371)

Hold on

Corey Ryan Forrester (27:21.363)

I used to be able to do it from memory, but I've also made so many jokes about that tweet and have replaced it that I don't remember which ones were mine and which ones were the real one. But yes, I'll look it up real quick. Two seconds. All right, here we go. so great. Good night, Hulkamaniacs and jabroni marks with a life that hold on. Good night, Hulkamaniacs and jabroni marks without a life that don't know it'll work when you work a work and work yourself into a shoot marks.

It's so funny. It's so funny. For those that don't know in wrestling nomenclature.

Trae (27:55.086)

It just kills me every time. It's just such a fucking self-parody thing. Like, it's so fucking funny. I, if-

Corey Ryan Forrester (28:00.24)

It's great.

For those of you that don't know a work in wrestling means, you know, when you're faking it, it's not fake. It's a work. It's a, you know, we're working here and a shoot is when something real actually happens and wrestling marks, which marks it, not just in wrestling, but that means a fan. goes back to the days when wrestling was at a carnival, right? Which the, they got that term from, all the dudes who would like do tricks and magic and stuff. They wanted to f-

This is so funny because I'm a wrestling fan. They wanted to find the stupidest motherfucker at the fair so that they could trick them out of their money. So that was their mark. That's a mark, you know, over there. That's my mark. So that translated into wrestling. So what Hulk Hogan is saying here, everybody, when he says

Trae (28:39.246)

Sure.

Trae (28:45.229)

Right.

Right. So read one more time. I'm going to read it one more time, like slowly. And then I want you to translate it into regular English for the rest of us. So I'm going, so he said, good night, hulka maniacs and, and jabroni marks without a life that don't know it a work when you work a work and work yourself into a shoot marks. So,

Corey Ryan Forrester (28:52.657)

Yeah. OK. I'll do it line by line.

Corey Ryan Forrester (29:00.848)

Hulkamaniacs.

Corey Ryan Forrester (29:05.704)

Mm-hmm.

Trae (29:16.608)

What does that mean? I know what jabroni means. know now I know what work means in this context, but you don't know what to work when you work a work and work yourself into a shoot. So right. Makes perfect sense to you, right? Yeah. What doesn't everybody understand about it? Yeah, right. So, all right. So go ahead.

Corey Ryan Forrester (29:18.012)

Okay, so.

Corey Ryan Forrester (29:26.589)

Yeah. Well, the thing is, it literally does. Like nothing has ever made more sense to me. Now, the only, it would make sense more if he was talking about other wrestlers because this does often happens. Wrestlers do constantly work themselves into a shoot. Yeah. Which is when you're doing an angle and it gets real.

Trae (29:43.714)

worked themselves into a shoot. And I imagine in wrestling, right, I imagine wrestling, that's what, yeah, they're, you know, they're fucking throwing each other around and through tables and jumping onto each other and stuff. And I imagine sometimes one or both of them gets genuinely pissed. And then it's like, now it becomes a little on so that when that, when you do something that leads to that, you've worked yourself into a shoot.

Corey Ryan Forrester (30:01.362)

Right.

Corey Ryan Forrester (30:08.381)

Yes, you've worked yourself into a shoot and sometimes often people shoot themselves into a work, meaning that first the shoot will happen and then somebody like Vince McMahon will go, damn, this would be a great angle and they work it. So you shoot yourself into a work. Now what

Trae (30:14.252)

OK. Yeah.

Trae (30:20.672)

Right. Okay, but what about the way he says that don't know what to work when you work a work and then work yourself into a shoot? Okay. All right.

Corey Ryan Forrester (30:27.227)

Now he was drunk. Now what he's saying is you jabroni marks. So he's talking about fans here. He's not talking about other wrestlers because wrestlers aren't marks, right? They're the opposite of marks. They are the person that, now granted there's younger wrestlers that you could say would be marks. And some people, Hulk Hogan has been accused of being a mark for himself, right? Many times. He's a mark for himself, right? So what he said. Yeah.

Trae (30:32.322)

Right. Right.

Trae (30:37.889)

Right.

Trae (30:50.414)

Okay, yeah. Alright. Does that mean like he's bought his own bullshit? Is that what that means? Yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (30:55.815)

Yeah, he's a huge, it's all Hogan all the time. And this was classic during the, as soon as he got over, I won't say as soon as he got over, but once he had reached like he's got his spaghetti store, you know, he's in comic books and stuff. He refused to put people over. Like he just would not put people over. Even if it was for the good of the company, he would not put people over. And what put people over means is you couldn't just beat Hulk, right? Even if the company was like, this is the angle we're wanting to work.

He would have to go about it in such a way he was like, no, that guy can win the championship for me. However, the only way we're going to do it, there has to be outside interference or it has to be a disqualification because in no way can he get the title by purely beating me because I'm Hulk Hogan.

Trae (31:39.234)

Right. Well, do know there's rumors and stuff that like The Rock has it in all his contracts now that he can never lose a fight in a movie. And also, think also Vin Diesel has the same clause. when they were in Fast and Furious together, like opposing each other in order to make those fight scenes work, they had to like draw up a contract where it was stipulated the exact number of punches each one of them would land so that they didn't.

Corey Ryan Forrester (31:45.618)

Yeah.

That's straight from Mark from Vince McMahon school.

Trae (32:08.654)

And that shit is just so insanely ridiculous to me. Like, and it's also why I think a lot of times both of those guys are actors like that, you know, you know who I don't think be doing shit like that. Although maybe I'm wrong. Maybe he does, but I don't think that like, I don't think that Tom Cruise does shit like that. And his movies hit, you know I'm saying? Those dudes also make movies that hit, but they also have movies that don't hit. And I think that those things are related. I think when you put that type of shit above

Corey Ryan Forrester (32:11.116)

It's ridiculous.

Corey Ryan Forrester (32:20.721)

Denzel?

Corey Ryan Forrester (32:24.315)

No, they do hit.

Corey Ryan Forrester (32:31.122)

What?

Trae (32:36.438)

what the story calls for, then you're fucking a movie up. silly.

Corey Ryan Forrester (32:37.459)

Story needs. Yes, I couldn't agree more. I couldn't agree more. Now, Tom Cruise, Tom Cruise famously has a lot of creative control. However, it's proof that say, listen, let me go on Al and record to say Scientology ain't it. Tom Cruise probably. I'm just purely talking about movies here. I'm separating art from the artist. The Rock has a lot of creative control, right? So it's just proof that Tom Cruise hits so much harder at Hollywood than the movies. Like, like

Trae (33:06.146)

Yeah, right.

Corey Ryan Forrester (33:07.475)

If Tom Cruise has had one of those insane stipulations, I assure you that unless it was in the movie The Mummy, it worked and it hit because that's the only bad movies ever made.

Trae (33:16.61)

Sure. Yeah. I think that a lot of times got actors that get big enough to exert creative control over the movies they're in. A lot of times that hurts them. Like I think that happened to Will Smith. Like I think Will Smith was like that. He got huge. And when he got huge enough to exert creative control, he don't have good creative instincts or whatever, or he cares more about his brand and his image than the story of the movie. And his movie started to fall off. But I think, like you said, that is

Corey Ryan Forrester (33:26.203)

It's fails and it hurts in wrestling too. Yep.

Trae (33:46.688)

At the same time, the inverse of that, that is the exact reason that Tom Cruise is the most enduring megastar of our era of maybe of all time, because he is actually good at that part. He has good creative instincts. He understands stories and story structure and stuff. And that's why he hits the most.

Corey Ryan Forrester (33:50.204)

Yes, and and

Corey Ryan Forrester (33:57.617)

Yes.

Corey Ryan Forrester (34:04.027)

And here's why it's failing with The Rock in my opinion. At the height of The Rock and Stone Cold, they both had creative control and were both, but they were both very good at it. They were in a wrestling context, right? But The Rock is treating the movies like they are all a wrestling match. You know what I mean? And it's like, and that's the difference by the way, between like, obviously, I mean, not to, you know, pull anybody's dick out here and measure it. Like The Rock is, is one of the biggest stars on the planet.

Trae (34:13.122)

Yeah. Right.

Trae (34:19.82)

Right.

Corey Ryan Forrester (34:30.309)

So is Dave Bautista, but not necessarily at the rocks level, obviously, but Dave Bautista is way more respected as an actor. And that's because Dave Bautista don't do none of this shit. Dave, he don't know Dave, Dave is like, and you know, I am speaking from talking to the man cause he's a friend of mine, but like you can just tell in his work, like he don't mind being the dipshit as Drax. he don't mind losing a fight. He, and he won't, cause he wants to play different people than just the big jacked up person.

Trae (34:37.229)

Right.

He ain't got none of that ego for that type of thing. Yeah, right.

Corey Ryan Forrester (34:58.791)

The rock doesn't like the rock doesn't. And if you're only going to play big jacked up people, they're always going to fucking win, you know? And that's why Dave lost has lost all that weight. It's so he can play more believably in different roles. And of course, naturally everybody on the internet was like, he's got cancer or this is what happens when you vote for a Democrat. It's like, no, he just, he just stopped bulking. You know what I mean? It actually wasn't that hard. You just stop, you stop trying to gain weight. but yeah. So what Hulk is saying here.

Trae (35:18.732)

Yeah. Right. Yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (35:28.547)

what Hulk is saying here, a jabroni Mark is a fan and they have no life, which a jabroni Mark doesn't, their life is wrestling. they, when they work a work, right? So basically you're, you're in their brains, they're, they're working to work. They're watching this thing and they're like, this is work. This is whatever. And then they get really upset about it, right? To the point that it affects, to the point that it affects them.

Trae (35:35.032)

Alright.

Trae (35:53.372)

Okay.

Corey Ryan Forrester (35:56.505)

And they then start lashing out, whether it be on the internet or at other people's and then thus they have turned it into a shoot. They've worked themselves into a shoot, but in the wrestling world, it would just be like John Cena and the rocker feudin and in the ring, John Cena went off script a little bit and actually slapped the rock and it didn't hit for the rock. So they actually threw some real hands. That's working yourself into a shoot, but for the fans, it's what I just said.

Trae (35:56.61)

Right.

Trae (36:01.89)

work themselves into a shoot, right?

Trae (36:13.987)

Right.

Trae (36:21.528)

Okay, yeah, that actually, that makes sense. Yeah, they get, they work themselves into it. They get too invested in something that's a work and they want it to be a shoot, but it's a work and they get so mad about it, they work themselves into a shoot and there you have

Corey Ryan Forrester (36:23.271)

You're welcome.

Corey Ryan Forrester (36:29.691)

And they because they want it to be a shoot every wrestling every wrestling fan.

Yes. And I've had this problem with, cause I host a wrestling podcast, on ad free shows and I love all the guys that are in it. And there have been some jabroni marks in there and we've just kicked them out. We've just kicked them out. We literally kicked it. We're like, you don't get to come to this live taping of the podcast anymore. You're a mark. You've worked yourself.

Trae (36:49.506)

Yeah, really.

Trae (36:53.762)

What percent of your SN fans are your brownie marks, you think?

Corey Ryan Forrester (36:56.985)

No, mean, honestly, not really that I mean, OK, higher than it should be, but lower than you'd think. You know what I mean? Because most wrestling fans I've found to be.

Trae (37:02.016)

Yeah. Yeah.

You think wrestling has the highest percentage of jabroni marks amongst it's like fandom. Do you know what I mean? Like you think star wars has a bigger jabroni mark percentage? Rogan. Okay. Yeah. And that's a good, that's a good poll. Yeah. I think you're probably right about that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (37:13.625)

No. Rogan. Percentage Rogan has the biggest percentage of jabroni marks. And that's not a diss on Rogan. just telling... I know it is. I've thought about this a lot. This consumes me. At night when everyone else is sleeping, I swear to God, I'm doing some type of filtration of who has the most jabroni marks in their fandom. Like, I can't...

Trae (37:35.798)

Well, elaborate what makes you say Rogan has the most brownie marks in his bamboo.

Corey Ryan Forrester (37:41.107)

They're just fucking jabroni marks, dude. I don't know why I have to like, I don't know what like you, you know what I mean? Like it.

Trae (37:43.896)

Ha

Trae (37:47.608)

But that, it's like a loser that don't know they're a loser, right? They take a whole thing too seriously without realizing that they're, right, yeah. It's like, you're just a, you're a number to this guy. You know what I mean? Like you contribute to him having his own fucking elk preserve and sauna, right? Yeah, and all this. And you enrich him or whatever and he don't know.

Corey Ryan Forrester (37:53.145)

Losers that don't know they're a loser bases their whole worldview on this one thing.

Corey Ryan Forrester (38:03.793)

Yeah. Yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (38:10.163)

You promote him without him asking you to. Yeah, like. Yeah.

Trae (38:15.276)

He don't know anything about you or give a fuck who you are. And again, as I knock on Rogan either, that's true for anybody in a position like that. But these guys don't, these guys don't realize that, right? They think a jabroni Mark thinks it's like there's some kind of connect this, you know, that he's that what they have is important or whatever. And that the whole, they take the whole thing way too seriously themselves too seriously. Right.

Corey Ryan Forrester (38:21.969)

I'd love to be in that position.

Corey Ryan Forrester (38:32.273)

And they, yeah, and they believe every word that comes out. Yes.

Corey Ryan Forrester (38:39.441)

And they believe every word that comes out of his mouth and don't realize that. I mean, look at the end of the day, he's doing this for entertainment. So yeah, he might just say some infactual shit. You know what I'm saying? But percentage wise.

Trae (38:50.924)

We got ancient brownie marks in this universe.

Corey Ryan Forrester (38:54.683)

We I'm sure that we do but I don't look at them that way. You know what I mean? I would do that would I would love if we had a Smartmark a Smartmark. I'm it literally is a Smartmark No, no, it's called a Smartmark Any yeah, because being a mark is not being a mark. It's no

Trae (38:56.716)

Yeah. Right. Of course not. Our, our jabroni marks are great. Yeah. What's the opposite of a jabroni mark? Like, okay.

Trae (39:09.736)

I thought you were okay. that, so any kind of fan is a mark regardless. It's just, could be a smart choice you make. It's not a reflection on you. It's just, you're the target of a piece of content or material. They know that and they're like, yeah, okay. But right. But Gibraltar marks, they don't know that. Right. Yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (39:21.223)

Yeah, but smart marks know that. Smart marks know that. And they're like, I don't care. I've bought into this. I'm here just purely for entertainment. Gibroni marks have no idea, nor would they ever. like Conrad Thompson, smartest mark on earth, because all mark means in the real context is being a fan, right? It's really only offensive when you say it as a pejorative, like you fucking mark.

Trae (39:36.482)

Smartest mark ever lived. Yeah, right.

Trae (39:41.378)

Yeah, right. Okay.

Corey Ryan Forrester (39:48.369)

You what I mean? But like I constantly, I hear Conrad talking about, man, I'm a huge mark for blah, blah. He's a smart Mark and he knows when a work of work and when a shoot a shoot and he don't ever work himself into a shoot brother. You know what I mean? You can't, when Rick flares your goddamn father-in-law, you got to know when a work of work and when a shoot a shoot. But anyways, that's what professor Hogan Hogan was saying there.

Trae (39:56.844)

Right. Right.

Trae (40:02.606)

Father-in-law? Yeah.

And he does.

Trae (40:10.582)

You said in the middle of all that minutes ago, cause we're really on a tear today. I don't even know. don't even, you, you just stopped and out of nowhere. I mean, it made sense at the time quoted, Tommy boy, maybe Tommy boy, which made me think, which made me think we've had conversations akin to this before, but I just wanted to give a quick little lament. It's real shame. There's, there was an era, long lasting era, but that was a great one was the one in the nineties where it's like,

Corey Ryan Forrester (40:15.601)

That's all right.

Corey Ryan Forrester (40:24.761)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (40:32.145)

I'm so glad you picked up on that.

Corey Ryan Forrester (40:40.519)

Sandler Farley.

Trae (40:41.004)

guys like David Spade and Chris Farley who like at the time that they made that movie were like up and comers on Saturday Night Live, weren't Chris Farley, think was probably like becoming the dude there, but David Spade really wasn't. mean, he talks a lot about how like he was, he was like, and Dana Carvey's understudy basically like David Spade was not a like star on Saturday Night Live yet, but he was just on. they're like,

Corey Ryan Forrester (40:49.458)

Right.

Corey Ryan Forrester (40:54.662)

He was. Yeah.

He was just Farley's boy.

Corey Ryan Forrester (41:06.919)

He rolls, though.

Trae (41:07.938)

These are, I love David's faves, one of my all time faves. But there's one, I'm saying at this point in time, they're not established stars or whatever. But, but a guy like Lorne Michaels or whatever could go to the studio and be like, Hey, let's take like five, $10 million or whatever it was, you know, not that much.

Corey Ryan Forrester (41:16.381)

That is correct.

Trae (41:27.926)

And let's take these two guys who have a good dynamic and they're funny, but they're not like household names. People don't know who they are, but let's just give them, let's take five, $10 million. And let's just make a little movie. just make a little comedy movie and see what happens. Right. It's not that big of a risk to a studio. And they used to make movies like that all the time. And a lot of them failed miserably, lot of them failed miserably, but sometimes a movie like Tommy boy becomes an enduring timeless classic that people love and had to have made.

Corey Ryan Forrester (41:31.923)

Yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (41:45.937)

It's a tax write-off.

Corey Ryan Forrester (41:52.839)

Black sheep also hit.

Trae (41:57.298)

so much money and DVD sales and everything over the years and rentals, all the money that movie made back for what, but it was a huge, that was a massive return on investment all the time. And it's like, and that, I just don't get why they don't do that shit no more. They just, they don't do that shit anymore. They only, they only make massive, they make massive fucking movies or there's little, you know, indie studios that do their shit. A24 and stuff like that.

Corey Ryan Forrester (41:59.715)

way more in its budget.

It's also on TNT all the time, like those syndication money.

Corey Ryan Forrester (42:12.945)

They don't man. Just every seven years that you'll get a bridesmaid.

Corey Ryan Forrester (42:20.712)

Yeah.

Dumb and Dumber was cheap too.

Trae (42:27.052)

which a lot of those movies are great, they don't, those types of, those like little real cool ass hip indie studios, they're not great at comedy. They don't even fuck with comedy for the most part, usually. like movies like that are just dead and gone. It's a bummer, you know.

Corey Ryan Forrester (42:40.369)

Well, I can kind of explain it because I've heard Matt Damon talk about this, where he basically talked about how back in those days, you could do that with relative peace of mind because you knew you had VHS and DVD to back it up, right? And they don't have that anymore. They don't have that anymore. But you could take something and if you know it's good, even if it doesn't...

Trae (42:46.69)

Yeah, I think I have too, so go ahead.

Trae (42:57.966)

Yes, that's exactly what was. Right.

Corey Ryan Forrester (43:08.043)

If it's going up against Titanic and it might get sunk, you're like, enough people see it will become a cult classic. like, there's plenty of examples of movies that like made an insane amount more on DVDs and VHS than they did, you know, during their initial run. Like, dude, Boondock Saints, one of the bigger examples, it, right, right. Which that's, it's so crazy that like, and that's just another hand. They didn't know what.

Trae (43:21.894)

yeah.

Yeah, The Big Lebowski was one of those movies. It was not a hit cinematically.

Or critically, like it was like panned when it came out and like bombed and then it

Corey Ryan Forrester (43:36.305)

And dude, the Coen brothers were already darlings when this happened. Like that's what people don't understand.

Trae (43:39.19)

Right. Yeah. Right. And I think that's wise because people didn't after Fargo and shit, which all their movies are funny. All their movies are funny. Don't get me wrong. But I think that I think that people just like, mean, Big Lebowski straight up fucking hilarious. But I think it, I think it wasn't like hard enough for Pete. You know what I'm saying? Like, Quentin Tarantino, like maybe if Tarantino had put out like Once Upon a Time in Hollywood right after Pulp Fiction, except it didn't have the big climactic

Corey Ryan Forrester (43:44.775)

They expected something too serious.

Corey Ryan Forrester (43:53.948)

It is.

Corey Ryan Forrester (43:58.077)

Well, let's look at their filmography up until this time.

Trae (44:08.898)

flamethrower house fight scene in it. Do you know what I'm saying? Cause at once upon a in Hollywood it's hilarious, but if it was like just hilarious the whole way through and it came out right after Pulp Fiction, even that movie rules, would people have been like, the fuck is this? You know what I'm saying? Like, and maybe that's how they felt about the big Lebowski. I don't know, but I love that movie just for the record.

Corey Ryan Forrester (44:11.889)

Right. Well, let's think.

Corey Ryan Forrester (44:26.641)

I love that movie too. It's amazing. But if you look at their, and this is just going off the top of my dome, so I'm sorry if I forget some stuff, but if you look at their filmography up until then, they opened with Blood Simple, which is not funny at all, fucking hardcore, hardcore. Then you got Raisin Arizona, which is very silly. Like that movie is very silly. I mean, it's got a serious, like there's still class struggle, family struggle, all that stuff. Then you've got Miller's Crossing, which has humor in it, but it is more, it's got that Coen Brothers type of humor in it where it's not always laugh out loud.

Trae (44:37.411)

True.

Trae (44:42.254)

Right.

Trae (44:54.284)

Yeah. Right. But eccentric characters speaking in a like an odd way that's it's like humorous and stuff. Yeah, right. Yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (44:56.157)

But it is, I would say, skews more. Yeah, yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (45:03.303)

Which Barton Fink is that too. Barton Fink is that too. And then I would say Hudsucker Proxy is straight up just silly. Right? And so they've done that and then they do Fargo, which is back to just the Coen Brothers type of humor, which is very understated. That's their, it is their defining and that, and that's, yes, it is.

Trae (45:12.547)

Yeah.

Trae (45:19.006)

But I would say that's like they're style or whatever is that that's when they combine those two things. It's like when they take no country for old men plus big Lebowski and shove those two things together. And it's like Fargo is what you get. And that's like, that's the hitness type of Coen brothers shit to me.

Corey Ryan Forrester (45:29.65)

Yes.

Corey Ryan Forrester (45:34.151)

And I love Fargo.

Yeah. And then like a serious man is more serious than it is funny though it is funny. But like, I mean, my favorite Coen Brothers movie for personal reasons is Brother, Art Thou? Because I'm from the South. It's a Southern movie. It's absolutely hilarious. Burn After Reading is also primarily silly. So like they have since gotten away with it. But yeah, I think Big Lebowski, maybe the people that were watching it were like, what do you mean? Like, this is all silly. Yeah.

Trae (45:48.236)

Yeah, right. Love it.

Trae (46:04.056)

think it was an era thing too, dude. Like that part of the 90s again, when like them and like Tarantino's at his peak and those types of movies, like I just feel like it wasn't what people thought that they wanted, even though it like hit really hard. But I don't know, speculating.

Corey Ryan Forrester (46:11.985)

Yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (46:18.823)

Yeah. And there's a lot of people that, and I don't agree that it's their best work. Like a lot of people do. I love it. I love, love, love it. But that's also that I don't dislike a single film the Cohen brothers have ever put out. Even lady killers is fine. You know what I mean? And it's like, they're allowed. They're allowed. God damn it.

Trae (46:23.692)

Now.

Trae (46:34.817)

Right.

Trae (46:38.114)

There's a, of movies, just since we're on the topic of movies, one thing I wanted to tell you about this week, I wanted to eulogize a forgotten silent film star. It's wild how there's people that can like, were huge, famous, you know, and movies were huge too, like kind of right off the jump. In like the silent era, those movies were huge and they, you know, they think like 80s to 80 plus something percent of silent movies are just gone forever. They're just like lost. They can't ever get them back. And so with that,

Corey Ryan Forrester (46:47.851)

my god.

Corey Ryan Forrester (47:03.655)

Yeah, man. It's, it's horrible.

Trae (47:07.042)

Some of these stars are completely forgotten too. And we're huge in the day. Like have you ever heard of a silent film star named Joe Martin? You ever heard of Joe Martin?

Corey Ryan Forrester (47:17.575)

Joe Martin, if I have, was from various Hollywood books that I've read. I'm sure that name came up and I just don't remember it.

Trae (47:24.334)

Huge star in the silent film era made over 50 films, right? Comedy and drama both, 20 comedy shorts, a bunch of serials, a melodrama named Black Orchid, a Irving Thalberg produced movie called Merry Go Round. Right, I'm saying big, big, big movies and small movies alike. Huge star, no one's ever heard of him anymore. Made over 50 movies.

Corey Ryan Forrester (47:28.487)

Black guy or?

Corey Ryan Forrester (47:42.205)

Ooh, Irvin Thalberg was that dude, So young too.

Trae (47:53.698)

Completely forgotten the time. this that might, it's hard to say why a lot of his movies are lost. People just get forgotten. Who knows what it is, but it could also be because Joe Martin was an orangutan from Singapore who was.

Corey Ryan Forrester (48:10.572)

And he just died?

Trae (48:11.566)

No, no, no, died forever ago. I did say, you can still eulogize somebody that been dead, I think.

Corey Ryan Forrester (48:13.455)

Okay. Well, you said you were eulogizing. When you said this. Yeah, yeah, you can. In my brain, though, I was like, man, this old son bitch, because you said, you know, and I was like, but yeah, I don't know. I don't know how long orangutans live. Dude, fucking there's tortoises that was during slavery.

Trae (48:22.22)

No, no, no, no.

Trae (48:27.694)

Well, he so he lived. He only lived to be about 20, but no, I don't think so. Not in Wild Monkey for sure. But it says that in for a captive orangutan of his era, 20 was pretty good, which is like there's layers of sadness to that statistic.

Corey Ryan Forrester (48:34.533)

Is that old and monkey?

Corey Ryan Forrester (48:39.657)

Hollywood, man.

Corey Ryan Forrester (48:44.775)

Yeah. Yeah. Especially because he was doing heroin with Charlie Chaplin.

Trae (48:52.866)

But he got brought over here and like Universal Pictures put him under a contract and you know, whatever else gave him a five picture deal or whatnot and a human name. he, at first he was big star and everything hit and he was like a small orangutan, right? A little and then when he reached, when he reached, when he reached adolescence, he started acting out by viciously attacking people a lot like.

Corey Ryan Forrester (49:10.769)

Hey Orson Welles.

Corey Ryan Forrester (49:20.627)

I'll be in

Trae (49:22.338)

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, he would count. It's there's parts of here that's so it's just so the past where it's like part of his deal with the studio was like he had an apartment and his own keys where he could come and go as he pleased or whatever. And it's like, what did go where? Like to the bar, you know, like, where was he going? But yeah, it's a store to get bananas, I guess. But it's like.

Corey Ryan Forrester (49:29.031)

Yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (49:37.491)

Of course. Yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (49:46.035)

To the store to get bananas, bro. What are you talking about?

Trae (49:50.336)

He like during that time, he basically just like lived on that studio lot or whatever as just a person. Like he wore clothes every day. He'd like he would go to premieres with the rest of the cast to be on the red carpet and shit. And people people knew I guess he had a recurring character. Well, his breakout role was a two reel comedy short called Joe Martin Turns Them Loose came out in 19.

Corey Ryan Forrester (49:59.443)

Of you did.

Corey Ryan Forrester (50:06.385)

He deserves it.

Corey Ryan Forrester (50:17.895)

Yeah, every which way but.

Trae (50:20.494)

1915, it was a comedy about opening the cages at a zoo and sending a stampede of beasts after innocent bystanding humans. So that's a laugh riot.

Corey Ryan Forrester (50:29.799)

I bet he crushed that roll. Seems like top casting. I'm not going to lie, but that's pretty good.

Trae (50:35.329)

Yeah, but

Corey Ryan Forrester (50:37.085)

Joe Martin, interesting name for a monkey.

Trae (50:38.806)

I know that's what gave me the idea of doing this and framing it this way is because that sounds just like such a regular human man name that I didn't think you would see the monkey turn coming.

Corey Ryan Forrester (50:42.415)

of tricking me? Yeah. Yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (50:49.041)

Yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (50:52.571)

Yeah. I do like it when people do that and name animals, human names, like in the life aquatic with Steve's zoo, his dog's name is Cody. I think that's a hilarious name for a dog. Anyways, go ahead.

Trae (51:03.371)

Yeah, it does it. But yeah, that movie Black Orchid I mentioned was a Rex Ingram film from 1907. was a pretty big hit, such a big hit that he later remade the movie. Only five years later, he remade the movie and called it Trifling Women. So that's fun. But anyway, Joe Martin, he reprised his role in Trifling Women. They brought Joe Martin back to play the same role that he was in. But...

Corey Ryan Forrester (51:20.732)

I bet that sold at the time,

Corey Ryan Forrester (51:30.427)

You think he prepared any differently or it was just like, well, I've done this guy before. Yeah.

Trae (51:34.078)

I think he probably had the character down by then. I think he was probably pretty in touch with it. But he was taught to wear clothes, given a weekly shave, and he seemed to enjoy it. Yeah, think, I think just like, you know, like not his whole ass body. That would be wild.

Corey Ryan Forrester (51:43.283)

Shave? Shave? Hold on. Right. Because monkeys do... Well monkeys do be having that like they got hair and then they got that regular, them regular human cheeks sometimes. But like I've never thought that they would have like a monkey five o'clock shadow if they didn't take care of it. That's very hilarious.

Trae (52:05.39)

Right. And it says here, says that although he seemed to enjoy his weekly shave, he was known to occasionally throw things at the barber. So, or his poop. I don't know. You know how monkeys be.

Corey Ryan Forrester (52:15.551)

Like scissors at his skull. Yeah, I do.

Trae (52:24.03)

It says he used to get fan mail. Here's a piece of fan mail he received from a child in the Midwest. says, Dear Joe Martin, I wish you would send me your picture. My papa says you are only a monkey, but I think you are an actor. And now it's like, I wonder if that's, I want that's Mark. It's of fucking six year old jabroni Mark. Tough into a shoot. Yeah, you're right. I do wonder if that kid meant like.

Corey Ryan Forrester (52:38.644)

That's a mark. That's a mark. That's a brownie mark. Shot himself, marked himself into a sheet,

Trae (52:51.776)

I literally think you're a human actor who's in a monkey suit because I'm a stupid kid. Or if I'm like, or if he meant like, you know, I don't care what the you're more than you're an actor. Yep. Yeah. Right. Exactly. Which, which one do think it was? Those two.

Corey Ryan Forrester (52:54.515)

Yeah. Yeah. Like Dr. Z. Yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (53:02.023)

You're more than a monkey.

well he's a kid, so he's an idiot. So I would say the latter.

Trae (53:13.603)

Yeah.

In November of 1918, Joe contracted the Spanish flu. It's a Spanish flu pandemic of that era, but he was, he survived. He was narrowly saved by the efforts of two doctors. And this was reported on in the trades where they, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. They reported the trades reported that even that during this time of his convalescence, he wasted away to almost a skeleton.

Corey Ryan Forrester (53:30.867)

Of he was. While letting a hobo bleed out on Hollywood and Vine.

Trae (53:44.558)

And three years later, newspapers in Boston, newspapers around the country were still reporting on Joe Martin's condition, saying that he had hovered between life and death, but all day and frequently throughout the night of his illness, his trainer, Curly Stecker, remained with him and by his side.

Corey Ryan Forrester (54:04.62)

This literally sounds like John Garfield's bio.

Trae (54:07.745)

Yeah, Bill Borg reported that afterwards he wore a mask in the hopes of producing transmission to other animals. Is that hilarious? Fucking he was masked up. Joe Martin had no problem being masked up 100 years ago, you know, but we can't get our fucking fucking Walmart loving oxygen tank, having monkey ass fucking cousins and put on goddamn masks to save their life. But you can get an actual monkey to do it. No problem. Yeah, that's

Corey Ryan Forrester (54:15.761)

Was that custody?

Corey Ryan Forrester (54:36.265)

God. What?

Trae (54:37.006)

Very funny. Universal got sued by a security guard in 1918, which was the first public allegation that Joe Martin had assaulted a human being. The security guard said that Martin bit him multiple times on the leg. The studio claimed that Martin was, you know, lovable, often acted with children, was always gentle to them. Right.

Corey Ryan Forrester (54:47.808)

Can't do that.

Corey Ryan Forrester (54:53.661)

What was he doing?

Corey Ryan Forrester (55:02.567)

That's so funny knowing that this monkey was like violent and every now and then it's like, hey, come on, you're going to be a star kid. Get over here next to this goddamn monkey. Yeah, we're to put you in all the pictures, kid, see?

Trae (55:07.308)

Right. Still with kids. Yeah.

Yeah. It's a murderous ape. Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. That is exactly what they were doing. But, reportedly, I mean, you can't, they get no credit for this because they didn't, they didn't know it was going to be this way. But on that note, Joe Martin, everything I can find reportedly, he always, matter of fact, one of the times he viciously attacked a human, was because it was a full grown actor on set with Joe.

And the actor was acting out a scene where he was spanking his child. He was a father spanking his child in the movie. No, the actor, the man, the adult man was playing a dad spanking his child. And it was just, you know, they were all, it was act, they were all acting. It was fake. It was a movie scene, but Joe Martin, Joe Martin thought it was real and worked himself into a shoot and attack. Yeah. Joe Martin didn't know it was work and worked himself into a shoot and attack.

Corey Ryan Forrester (55:47.387)

Yeah, the monkey? No. Right.

Corey Ryan Forrester (56:01.063)

It was a work.

Trae (56:11.374)

the man actor and know, fucked his shit up, but he did it because he thought he was defending that child. can't believe how relevant that Hulk Hogan tweet, because I just thought of it randomly and I was like, that tweet itchin' me, I wanna bring it up. But it's so funny how applicable it has turned out to be. But yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (56:19.488)

He worked himself into a shoot!

Corey Ryan Forrester (56:29.275)

Narratively, it works. Yeah.

Fucking shit, man. God.

Trae (56:39.466)

He started, so he got, he getting older and he was like, he started attacking people and stuff, but you know, this, this, this Joe's a real moneymaker. See? Like, you know, he's like, his pictures got legs. Well, I mean, he, maybe, but he had no, I mean, he wasn't nearly old enough for it to be that. think, you know, they just ain't, cause he didn't just attack people. also exactly right. He ought not be in an apartment on a studio lot with a cigar. Yeah. Right. With a cigar and a fucking.

Corey Ryan Forrester (56:46.695)

Yeah. Is monkey dementia a thing you think?

Corey Ryan Forrester (56:57.435)

It might be because he's a monkey. That tiger didn't. Yeah, that tiger went tiger. Yeah. Yeah.

Trae (57:07.616)

three-piece suit on or whatever but but it he was said to he was said to enjoy tobacco but only in moderation preferring it was nothing if not responsible dude masked up backer only in moderation

Corey Ryan Forrester (57:15.769)

Yeah.

Hey!

Corey Ryan Forrester (57:26.621)

imagine a monkey being like, I'm down to half a pack a day. I'm good.

Trae (57:29.312)

Yeah, right. They really did. He really was like a big moneymaker. the Carl Lemmel, Lemmel, who was like one of the founders of Lemmel. Carl Lemmel was one of the founders of Universal. He, he, one time he called Joe Martin quote, the only guaranteed star on the screen and said, we have made a real actor out of him. True. He is temperamental as nearly all stars are, but have we never

Corey Ryan Forrester (57:36.275)

you

La-Mail.

Corey Ryan Forrester (57:49.629)

That's right.

Corey Ryan Forrester (57:56.349)

Sure.

Trae (57:57.07)

but have we never yet seen any star who was more willing, more daring, more clever or more brainy? He has shown a spirit of true manliness for this and many other reasons. I feel that I owe him this public appreciation. So there are many other actors. I mean, we all know they treated actors like chattel back then, it's it's so funny. It's there publicly like smartest act, smartest best actor we got is this monkey son of a bitch right here.

Corey Ryan Forrester (58:08.627)

Yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (58:16.113)

Yeah. yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (58:23.633)

Yeah. Yeah.

Trae (58:25.518)

There's some dame from St. Louis crying in the corner, but yeah, she's about to be thrown straight in the trash at the age of 21 while a monkey's got a car and a fucking duplex. No, it's just, it's so funny, dude. my God. Yeah. He, it's.

Corey Ryan Forrester (58:29.051)

Of course. yeah man, them silent film stars.

Corey Ryan Forrester (58:34.855)

Them salad films, though. And the love of the press.

until one day the monkey put on blackface. I'm sure you're going there.

Trae (58:49.154)

funny you bring that up at that moment because at this part of the story, he was filming another picture called Jazz Monkey. I don't know. It just says, it's just talking about, he was supposed to confront a lion. There was a scene written. Yeah. They had all kinds of animals. had like a whole menagerie, you know, I don't know.

Corey Ryan Forrester (58:56.699)

wow, based on the Jazz Singer?

Corey Ryan Forrester (59:06.375)

Did they get a lion? Right, you... How can you guarantee that one?

Trae (59:16.664)

But I don't know what the hell is going on here. It's something about him. He was in a scene where he's supposed to protect a woman from a lion and he's got a gun. A monkey with a gun.

Corey Ryan Forrester (59:26.587)

Yeah.

Monkeys got a gun.

Trae (59:31.246)

Anyway, they were worried that the gun wouldn't, he wouldn't operate it properly, but he pulled it off without a hitch because he's a pro. Joe's a pro's He attended the premiere of his film Monkey Stuff. And at the premiere, he wore a Palm Beach suit, carried a cane.

Corey Ryan Forrester (59:39.621)

No shit

Corey Ryan Forrester (59:55.283)

Fuck you! Fuck you!

Trae (59:58.4)

Egg clapped his hands frequently and laughed monkey laughs whenever anything struck him as being particularly good. my god, dude.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:00:08.032)

Alec Baldwin shot a lady to death and this monkey is just over here twirling a revolver, just protecting people from a lion and go into a, a, a, an award show with a cane. Unbelievable.

Trae (01:00:12.867)

Yeah.

Trae (01:00:19.458)

An Ohio newspaper wrote an article about him that claimed that he used to finger comb his hair every morning in front of the mirror when he got up. And if, if it wasn't hitting for him, he would like turn the mirror around. like if he had a bad hair day or whatever.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:00:27.482)

Like a greaser.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:00:34.205)

shame.

Trae (01:00:39.022)

They said that Joe could understand any spoken command. He would even listen in to private conversations. He does any stunt that suggested for him. His mental processes function without command from the trainer. And upon leaving his cage, he carefully closes the doors, locks it back. He had a ring out of his pocket. He'd pull out, this says he had a key ring with multiple keys. And he'd like pull it out and pick the right key and unlock his door and go back in.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:01:01.821)

YAYAYAYAY

He was a genius!

Trae (01:01:08.482)

Yeah, at the end of the fucking day. In July 1919, Joe Martin escaped from the studio zoo. So he had like a, an apartment, whatever you want to call it, on the part of this lot where they kept all their animal, movie animals, right? In July 1919, he escaped from that zoo and went on a multi-day rampage in which time he wrecked an assistant trainer's quarters, released approximately 15 wolves, freed

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:01:19.365)

lie yeah

Trae (01:01:36.6)

Freed Charlie the elephant, freed my homie Charlie. He let him out and created general havoc. He then climbed to the top of the universal barn and refused to come down for hours on end. When he finally came down and they went back to his cage, he ripped the door of the cage off its hinges before walking inside, which I feel like is a pretty clear message of what Joe's trying to say.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:01:38.227)

Freed the homies!

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:01:43.291)

you

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:02:02.983)

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Trae (01:02:06.978)

But so at one point he, he escaped a bunch of times from this little area and they would get him back. He's escaping dude. He's attacking people. He's freeing wolves. He's biting security guards. At one point he stole a cop's gun. It's like, being that cop dude. But yeah, out of his holster. Yes. Imagine being that fucking cop. You never live in that shit down.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:02:12.027)

Went and joined the IRA.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:02:31.559)

That's probably why the police union had to spin this narrative that we're hearing that he was a brilliant monkey to sort of push that down a little bit. Because Jesus.

Trae (01:02:41.559)

Yeah, but so I'm saying he did all this crazy shit. he was, you know, they thought like Dennis Hopper was difficult, you know, like, right. But this motherfucker is just, it's cause they treated him exactly the same way. like, you know, we've always been like, well, you know, if you hit, they'll let you get away with it. And Joe Martin was a sure fire hit maker, dude. Top of the charts made them a lot of money, but that really is what was happening. He was causing.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:02:46.225)

It's Robert Downey Jr. in the 90s. At least he wasn't a fucking monkey.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:02:59.13)

I want you to do stuff! Yeah, I want you

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:03:07.933)

Yeah.

Trae (01:03:08.63)

wreaking havoc and clearly not in a good place. But you know, again, he couldn't miss at the pictures and so they just, they kept him around. They kept putting him in scenes with babies and stuff hoping, hoping he don't eat it, you know, but yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:03:14.792)

Can I?

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:03:19.264)

Can I? Can I ask you a question real quick? We keep talking about Joe Martin going to his to his going to his apartment, doing all this shit and like going who? Who monkey that is, you know what I mean? Like that's but like where they find that month, like I feel like there had to be a person that was like this monkey's aces, you know, and like

Trae (01:03:39.431)

It's the studio's monkey, remember...

Trae (01:03:46.318)

Remember, it's, remember I mentioned him earlier, his lifelong trainer, curly stacker was his name. So curly stacker worked for the studio as an animal trainer. And they were people who would import, you know, dude at this era, you, you, you, at this era, you could be like, you know, fucking. Bring me one of those big, I need a Komodo dragon and three tigers from the Orient, you know, and then like a steamboat would show up four months later with fucking.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:03:50.183)

That's right, that's right. Okay, my bad. That got slated for me.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:03:59.888)

It's on him though, right?

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:04:05.415)

You need a monkey? I'll get you a monkey about three. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

Trae (01:04:16.128)

some, you know, some dude with a big mustache, one of those pith helmets on it and all his like, all his indigenous slaves that he's got on the boat with him. And they just give you, you know, you pay them whatever. And they, they give you the wild animals that really is how it worked. They animals would be shipped on boats from the jungles in Southeast Asia and Africa and wherever else to Hollywood. And they had trainers in Hollywood and they had dedicated parts of the studio lots where they kept all these animals. And like, dude, it.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:04:19.845)

or Salvador Dali would get it for you.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:04:27.858)

Yeah.

Yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:04:37.021)

Yeah.

Trae (01:04:45.228)

Don't none of it hits like, you know, like that, right. The whole, this. Right. But for the animals, was not cool, obviously any of it, but that's how it works. they, so they had, kept a menagerie of all kinds of animals and they had a bunch of different trainers and curly Steckle was Universal's monkey man. And so he was the one in charge of Joe Martin. So that's who monkey that is to answer your question. Who monkey that is, it's a curly Steckles. let's see here.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:04:46.845)

course not! I mean, I mean the way you're telling it certainly does. For the record. No. Unless you were Joe, I think.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:05:07.675)

Okay, my bad. Go on. Proceed.

Trae (01:05:18.144)

This guy, Al Santel, right, who was a fellow actor at the time and was in some of these pictures with him, got attacked a few different times by Joe Martin, it seems. I Al Santel just did not hit for him. And this was in like 1920 on the set of a Tarzan movie. One of the times was when Al Santel got attacked 52 years later in an interview.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:05:34.397)

Yeah.

Trae (01:05:45.998)

Al Santel still remembered it, you know, I imagine it sticks with you. And he said, when a monkey bites you, he don't just give you one quick bite. He clamps his teeth in, gets set, and then puts the pressure on. And I could feel each tooth mauling into my leg. It took the combined strength of Curly and Carl Stecker, Curly's brother, to detach Joe.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:05:49.245)

Well yeah, no shit.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:06:03.271)

Mmm, I bet.

Trae (01:06:10.606)

from Mr. Santel. It actually, it's even funny. It wasn't an actor he worked with. It was a director. like this Al Santel was the director of these movies, which means like he keeps casting the monkey who violently attacks him. He's like, got it. He's just got it. His screen presence is off the charts. It's it's like fucking like Werner Hirszog kept working with Klaus Kinski or whatever, even though they fucking wanted to kill each other. And Klaus was a nightmare, but he was like, you know, he just, he got it like that. What do you want me to say?

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:06:18.291)

The monkey! He hits! He hits! Goddamn!

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:06:32.391)

Yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:06:35.827)

There's so many examples, dude. Well, dude, was an open, the fucking Weinstein was an open secret in Hollywood, but people were like, he's putting out the hits dog. I don't know what the fricking tell you.

Trae (01:06:45.454)

Yeah. Yeah. But, they, they, at one point they built him a, on a film set for a movie called a monkey movie star, which was meant to be Joe Martin's autobiography. So he was such a star. They made it a biopic of him starring him as himself. Joe Martin, Joe Martin, Joe Martin as himself and a monkey movie star.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:06:59.773)

Yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:07:04.531)

Starring him. See, they should have got a different monkey to play him.

Trae (01:07:13.046)

And for that movie, they built him a jungle-o, so a jungle bungalow that had indoor plumbing. Do monkeys use the turlet or will they? I mean, you can train a cat to use a turlet. Surely a monkey can too.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:07:18.417)

Yeah, okay.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:07:25.403)

I was about to say dude, I think if any animal could use the turlet, it'd be a monkey. Especially Joe who can use a six shooter.

Trae (01:07:29.226)

be a monkey. Well, his jungle, his jungle had a turlet in it and a bed, a bathtub, a bar. I hope he was getting drunk at that bar and also a trapeze. It's funny to like picture him just like swinging forlornly on the trapeze and then like shuffling over to the bar nursing a whiskey while staring into the abyss.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:07:40.871)

Yeah. He was there. Yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:07:49.799)

Yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:07:53.841)

Yeah. I'm also just thinking of like a younger John Ford getting so hammered that he has to ask the monkey if he can stay over like, please for the love of God, I gotta be on set tomorrow.

Trae (01:08:01.933)

Alright.

Yeah, on a set of a movie called The Revenge of Tarzan, he attacked another actor named Gene Pollard, who played in that movie with him. And then in the summer of 1920, the Universal like loaned him or rented him or whatever for the summer to the Ringling Circus, where he and and my God. This this this I and it passed on hit. He was rented to Ringling Circus for summer where he was.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:08:25.725)

Yeah.

Trae (01:08:34.926)

where he was paired up with a black man named Congo, who was dressed up and advertised as a savage from the African bush. And he and Joe Martin. So the black dude's name is Congo and the monkey's name is Joe Martin, right? And they like their whole act was they just were in a cage together and they were like, behold the savages of the darkest Africa.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:08:37.395)

Mm-hmm. Yep. Yep.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:08:44.783)

Mm-hmm, you'll have that.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:08:54.799)

By the way for the record

Trae (01:09:04.952)

And they just sat there and no, no.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:09:04.999)

Just so you know, like obviously this don't hit this part don't hit but like compared to what I thought was about to happen. does I genuinely because of how much the past don't hit. I thought that like Joe Martin was going to be playing black dudes a lot like that was going to be a thing and that's why I asked if he was in blackface because like it would have made sense to me again make sense in the sense of I know how that time was that they would put him in a tuxedo and paint his fucking lips red.

And make him, hello, baby. Hello, my darling. Like, and that would have hit for people so hard that would have hit real hard for people.

Trae (01:09:42.734)

Dude, this fucking monkey, in 1921, he was doing like some live vaudeville shows in Los Angeles area while also filming movies. In 1921, he was earning $500 a week in vaudeville and 1200 in his picture work. 1921, $1700 a week in 1921, this monkey was making, you know, his owners were.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:09:45.628)

Yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:09:52.947)

Yeah,

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:10:01.532)

What year?

That's crazy money.

Trae (01:10:11.928)

heaping all that money and he didn't miss it because he's a monkey, but still that shit is wild.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:10:17.703)

That is, hold on, let me calculate that.

Trae (01:10:21.55)

Yeah. In 1921, they put out another short called no monkey business. That was a single scene, a short where Joe Martin arrives home from a night at the bar, clearly inebriated. him to act drunk somehow. guess monkeys just kind of always seem drunk. Yeah. Yeah. A week, 17 a week. Shoot way, man. That's wild.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:10:32.595)

You said that was a week.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:10:38.065)

Yeah. That's 30 grand. That's 30 grand a week. That's 30 grand a week. Yeah. Sounds like he's underpaid to me. This dude was the top of the pops. Cause if you think Tom Cruise is only making $30,000 a week, you got three things. Him fucked up. You know what I mean? But yeah, 30 grand a week to his trainer just to, although not, hold on his, okay.

Trae (01:10:50.328)

Yeah, right now, I yeah, you...

Trae (01:10:57.652)

Absolutely.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:11:07.623)

So the studio just, yeah, you're right. You said they shipped them over on things. So the studio owns this monkey outright. So essentially they're paying the trainer $30,000 a week to train him. Yes. Or does the monkey have a trust?

Trae (01:11:23.666)

The monkey don't have a trust. It's either whoever I guess it says his owners. So I don't know. mean, I guess just the studio, but they're probably

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:11:31.251)

I was about to say, because you would think that the studio would have just bought him outright, but they wouldn't pay themselves unless it has to be the trainer. has to be they're given $30,000 a week and then they get to write all that off, I guess, which I'm aware that writing something off doesn't mean it's free, but still.

Trae (01:11:35.276)

Yes, you would think that. You're right.

Trae (01:11:49.696)

I don't know, but anyway, one time in the early 1920s, they, the studios and their handler, Curly and them took Joe Martin to have dinner with Edgar Rice Burroughs, right? Who Edgar Rice Burroughs created Tarzan and he wrote all those like big adventure novels and stuff in this era, big time like adventure and sci-fi writer.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:12:03.613)

Yeah.

Trae (01:12:15.628)

And he had a ranch and Joe Martin came to have dinner with him at it. And it says that Burroughs was very shocked and impressed and surprised because Joe sat down at the table, tied a napkin around his neck himself, and then even knew which knife and fork to use for each course it says. mean, this guy, just don't make them like this anymore, But,

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:12:34.833)

Of course he did. Of course he did.

No, they don't son. You can't coach monkey like that.

Trae (01:12:43.392)

It just makes me wonder, it's like, can, I've always, I mean, I've always heard and known, but orangutans, I think they're supposed to be like the smartest of them all. think, I think so. It's either them or chimps, think, but I'm pretty sure, I think orangutans, I think are the smartest ones, but so just makes you wonder like,

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:12:47.933)

They ought not be at zoos. I can tell you that much right now.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:12:54.226)

are they? Yeah. I thought it was gorillas, but I believe you.

Trae (01:13:06.702)

You know, we don't do this type of thing anymore because like it ain't cool, but like, just wondered what all we could get a monkey to do now. You know what I mean? Yeah. But,

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:13:14.483)

Yeah, this is how it starts, bro. This is how it starts for science. But I agree with you. If all of this is true, what we and for the record, all right. Okay. All right. Let me postulate for a second. Okay. Living in a zoo don't hit, right? But I maintain that living in the wild don't hit neither. So this

Trae (01:13:37.016)

I've always said this, I've always thought, cause people always like shit on zoos and stuff and I've always been like, like dude, you know, it's that whole argument we've had forever about how the white nature is brutal and it's metal as fuck and it don't hit to be out there. It's like, they get every need met and I know that they have their instincts and all that stuff. I get that, but like,

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:13:49.381)

Yeah, I get to live longer.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:13:57.093)

Of course, and that's the problem.

Trae (01:14:00.718)

The wild don't hit you know like I saw I saw a hippo at a zoo getting his teeth brushed You know I'm saying and it looked like it was hitting for it like he had his mouth it up like it seemed like he was digging it hippos don't get their teeth that hippos got dental I ain't got dental you know like fucking right Right

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:14:03.557)

Right, but this is a-

Yeah, but this is also

Yeah, but dude

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:14:17.169)

But this is, I mean either, this is, and you can tell everyone knows we don't have dental. but like, okay, but like this is, and I want you to finish, but like, this is sort of the same argument that some people make about women shouldn't enter the workforce. You know what I mean? Like, like, why would they like just go marry a man and stay at home and do your shit and whatever, like you'll be taken care of. Why would you want to be a brain surgeon?

Trae (01:14:42.574)

But I think maybe I'm wrong here. Maybe this is totally wrong. Maybe it's on a case by case basis, but women should have the right to choose whether they want to work or not. And I feel like if you want to, if you want to stay home and you can, that's what Katie does. That's totally fine. There's nothing wrong with that either. No reason to be a bitch about that either, you know.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:14:57.191)

But Amber too. No, of course. Dude, being a housewife is a great thing if you want to do it.

Trae (01:15:04.012)

Right. so any of that's fine, but that should be the woman's choice. I know the animals can't like really make a choice, but I feel like there's plenty of animals. I think there's plenty of animals that would like that I think would would think that that's a hookup. It's like, mean you're going to like scratch me and just feed me all day and I just get to lay around and fucking like, yeah, I'll do that. Like.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:15:09.776)

Yes.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:15:13.191)

I think Joe Martin could.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:15:18.003)

They would choose that.

Yeah.

Hold it.

Hold up. Please, let me tell you something right now, I'm a man. I've got man instincts. I love my career. I do. I work my ass off. We both do. We're scraping by. We're doing it. Yeah. Yeah. If someone offered me the equivalent of a zoo, heartbeat. Heartbeat. I got my Netflix here. You just bring me all my meals. I ain't got to do shit. Yeah, I would be into that. Now, there would be part of me...

That would be like, but I can still write though. And they'd be like, yeah, sure. You can still write whatever that don't hurt. But the monkeys writing is swinging from trees. You know what I mean? Like in that, in that sense, but like, no, I've never been like, but dude, I've told you, I we talked about it on this goddamn show. Like I'm such a hypocrite because like the concept of zoos don't hit for me, but zoos hit for me. Like I like going to them cause like that's where I get to see the monkey. But anyways, more about Joe.

Trae (01:16:05.133)

Right.

Trae (01:16:19.982)

It's also dude, zoos are at best a gray area. I don't care what anybody says. Cause I mean, ones that are well ranked in some parts of the world, zoos are horrific, but like legitimate zoo, like the San Diego zoo or whatever. Like the people that work there are hardcore animal lovers who also know what they're doing and do everything they can to take care of them. Also zoos do a lot of conservation work and all kinds of shit.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:16:25.649)

That's true. I agree with both sides.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:16:32.379)

Yeah. The San Diego Zoo ain't horrific. Chattanooga Zoo ain't horrific. They love animals. Yeah.

Trae (01:16:49.196)

best they're a gray area. It's not black and white.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:16:50.617)

I couldn't agree with you more. I couldn't agree with you more. They're, definitely one of the things where that and also, you know, not to get political, but like hunting, I will be like, I hear both. get it. You know what I mean?

Trae (01:17:01.58)

Hunting is another one where it's like, I feel like a lot of people don't realize, nature is so brutal and everything that anything, anything that gets hunted, getting shot to death by a hunter's bullet is whether you want to admit it or not, one of the hit in this possible outcomes for those animals. Because the other outcomes, right, you get eaten alive, you get ripped to pieces, you slowly starve to death, you accidentally break a leg and are stuck in a ditch and just.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:17:06.693)

If you don't kill all these deer...

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:17:14.119)

Yeah, better. Yeah, if you're a prey, if you're prey.

Yeah. Yeah. Right.

Trae (01:17:30.37)

die there without being able to move. And maybe you get eaten alive a little bit while you're dying in the ditch by something that comes along to chew on you. Like it don't hit out there in them streets, them woodsy streets. like people just need to get over it. Having said that, we ought not do what we did to Joe Martin. Don't get me wrong, but okay. Yeah. I need to try and try to get to the end of this.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:17:31.688)

Yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:17:46.907)

Yeah, no, no, no. Yeah. But keep on because well, you say you say that we you say that we shouldn't have done it. Joe Martin and I agree. But like I'm I another gray area for me is like. But then I wouldn't get to hear you tell me this, you know, and this has brought me so much joy.

Trae (01:18:01.058)

Right.

So he went on another rampage that lasted nearly a week. This is when the policeman incident happened. It says, in which time he took a gun away from one of the policemen attempting to catch him and was about to shoot the cop when the rest of us were able to stop him. So they were like, Joe, you don't want to do this, Joe. Look at me, Joe. They're like, he's holding a gun. Yeah, he's holding a gun on a cop. It's like, you're not that guy, Joe. Don't be that guy. So fucking stupid.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:18:22.471)

Get back, think about your family. You don't have to end this way, Joe. There's other options.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:18:33.267)

You

Trae (01:18:33.454)

And it says there was another account that said that someone else claimed the police officer had tried to shoot him first. So it's also an argument over. Yeah, absolutely. You know, they're going to side with the goddamn cop. But anyway. One of the pretty much the crushing blow finally came when he he viciously attacked Ethel Stecker, who was the wife of his lifelong trainer, Curly. He bit her on the ankle down to the bone.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:18:40.443)

that tail is old as time ain't it

Yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:18:58.596)

yeah, you can't have that.

Trae (01:19:02.188)

it said fucked her up pretty good. And after that happened, people were like, okay, this is too much. But then she pleaded for his life. People were talking about maybe putting him down or whatever. But she, the woman, she the woman, because her husband had raised this monkey from a baby and she had been there for that. So she was like, you know, no, I'm that monkey mama, don't kill that monkey. And so.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:19:16.211)

Stockholm syndrome.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:19:22.641)

Right. Dismucky mama.

Trae (01:19:28.706)

Curly, her husband tried to appeal and he was like, look, don't kill him. I'll just sand his teeth down to nothing. Right. If you won't kill it that way, if he does, but there was, I've told this forum well read, but Katie knew a lady when we were in Knoxville, we didn't use this lady, but we were in the Knoxville area. There was a woman there called Mary Lou, the monkey lady who, who like,

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:19:38.643)

That is better, I guess.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:19:52.429)

Hahaha!

Trae (01:19:55.776)

rented out monkeys for parties and stuff, like kids parties and shit. And she had a special monkey that I have no teeth. And it was like, for a kid's party. And I always thought it was so funny that the implication of that was like, mean, listen, this monkey is going to bite your child, but it's just, it'll be fine. Cause it, it even got no teeth. So you don't gotta worry about.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:19:58.269)

Yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:20:02.353)

Yeah, yeah right. So can suck you off.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:20:13.683)

And also. But. And also the implication that a monkey biting you is the only hardcore shit a monkey could do to you, because like a monkey could punch a kid. Yeah, bro, like they could just and also, bro, I guarantee you this, if you're it's a kid like a five year old with his little tiny arm, even not having teeth, a monkey could gum that.

Trae (01:20:27.414)

Right, exactly, like they can't rip a kid's arms off? Yeah, right, exactly, no.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:20:42.897)

some bitch broke. You know what I mean? You think a monkey could gum some bitch broke? I do.

Trae (01:20:45.748)

Absolutely. Yeah.

I think if it's dependent on the monkey, if this monkey was toothless because it's real old and frail, maybe not, but like a strong monkey, it just ain't have no teeth, absolutely.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:20:55.473)

Yeah, right. dude, you absolutely I'll tell you a skill.

Trae (01:21:00.706)

So they, I threw my mouth, the Los Angeles Herald in October of 21 put out a article about another legal issue. Joe was having a lot of legal disputes at this time. This was pertaining to his mail and like the proper ownership of his mail because the thing was in this, I'm yes, which hits, yes, I'm reading this straight from the article in the Los Angeles Herald.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:21:13.127)

Hollywood man.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:21:18.663)

Like the M-A-I-L, the male, which hits.

Trae (01:21:25.792)

Joe gets about a dozen letters a day from all over the world. Most of his correspondence being under the impression that he is quote, a little man dressed up like a monkey. In actuality, it is the reverse. He is a little monkey dressed up like a man. To be more exact, Joe is a five foot, five inch orangutan with a human brain. This is what they reported in the Los Angeles Herald with a human brain.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:21:37.94)

Hey, I'm up here. Yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:21:47.329)

my god.

Trae (01:21:49.802)

Inspector Cookson of the Los Angeles Office of Postal Inspectors is interested in determining Joe's rights as to his own mail under the postal laws. Technically, Joe is an animal. However, he is an animal with a human brain and people they keep repeating that. Like they literally really do think that Joe had this monkey had a human brain. But anyway. However, he is an animal with a human brain and people do write to him under perfectly good two cent stamps.

Just to avoid any encounter with the federal grand jury, Curly Stecker has instructed Joe Martin to open his own mail. It is a regular morning ceremony at the Universal City Arena. So that being, you know, it's illegal to open someone else's mail. And so it's like the question, the question was like, right, but this is a monkey's mail, you know, which is like, well, monkey got to order it or monkey got to open it or it's illegal.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:22:34.707)

It's federal crime. had to tell Amber this last week. Right. Well, dude, you know, hold on. This is very similar to a very recent case that came across where I know you know about this. I know we've talked about this. A monkey out in the rainforest or whatever, there was a camera guy, right? And he's taking pictures of the rainforest and shit.

And a monkey grabbed his camera and turned it around and took a picture of itself. He took a monkey selfie and that guy, that guy's that guy. Yeah. That guy submitted that picture to national Greek geographic. And there were arguments to be made that this guy shouldn't be paid for it because the monkey did it. You know what I mean? Like it wasn't, you didn't take that picture. The monkey took that picture. So like as ridiculous as it sounds back in the day,

Trae (01:23:08.082)

yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's a famous, famous thing. Yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:23:29.383)

This is in our lifetime. mean, this is like five years ago. You know what I mean?

Trae (01:23:33.25)

Right. Yeah, that day, I don't know. That's, mean, what you, I...

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:23:37.415)

I feel like you'd only do that with a monkey though, like if it happened with a pig they'd be like happy accident.

Trae (01:23:42.774)

Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I don't know. It do be weird. But...

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:23:47.399)

I don't- yeah.

Trae (01:23:49.87)

So that, all right, sorry, where were we at? So anyway, yeah, so in, by the spring of 1922, San Francisco call reported that Joe Martin's film career seemed to be nearing an end. They reported quote, some think that Joe Martin is incurably insane when.

Once when Joe

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:24:13.105)

You catch some men you just can't reach.

Trae (01:24:15.79)

Once when Joe showed signs of melancholy over the absence of his trainer, a little monkey was brought to his cage in hopes that the companionship would stop his brooding. However, Joe beat the monkey to death against the bars of his cage. So that's worth a shot, I guess. Imagine the people just standing there watching that. Like they're all like these like studios. They're like, you know, yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:24:30.905)

God. God. Yep, yep, yep, yep. Yep, yep, you'll have that.

Trae (01:24:45.09)

We gotta get something's wrong with Joe. He's all, know, he's he's he's he's at it. Yeah. What's the yeah. What's the what's the way he's got the melancholy. He's got the sadness. He's got the

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:24:50.695)

He's out of touch with the reality, he's gotta come back down, see?

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:24:56.775)

Get him some young monkey pussy.

Trae (01:25:03.752)

He's a little friend to play with, you know, get us to get another monkey in here. They like someone said that. Get us another monkey in here. And then someone showed up with a monkey and like that monkey probably had a trainer too. So imagine that guy's face. But yeah, they just put it in there and it's like, you go, Joe, there's a little buddy for you. Let's see. And then you step back and then he just this fucking just sit to shreds in front of him. But Carly Stacker.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:25:05.765)

Yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:25:10.138)

Yeah, yeah, of course they did.

And the

my god.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:25:31.261)

This is

Trae (01:25:33.912)

Carly Stecker was getting old and everything and he was working less and less. He took a long absence of several months and Joe continued to deteriorate in his absence. He would come back every now and then, which always hit for Joe when he would. He, Carly always hit for him. Anytime Carly showed up, he'd give him a big hug and all that stuff. But with Carly continuing to be further and further away, his condition deteriorated. They still kept putting him in movies, of course, and he kept attacking the other actors in said movies.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:25:50.269)

course.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:26:03.249)

Yeah, but I bet he looked like Robert De Niro in the Irishman where he was just like, like it was just, it just didn't look real anymore.

Trae (01:26:03.34)

while he was, while he was rep-

Trae (01:26:08.238)

Right. While he was reprising his role in the remake of Trifling Women that we mentioned earlier in 1922, he attacked both his co-star Edward Connolly and Barbara Lamar. Remake of Correct.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:26:15.804)

Yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:26:21.181)

Wait, wait, Trifle and Women was a remake of Black Orchid. Are you suggesting there was a remake of Trifle and Women? Okay. Yeah, yeah, I hear you. I understand.

Trae (01:26:28.34)

No, I just thought that it would get confusing if I didn't. But anyway, but you are right. And then even while traveling, women, even at one point bit Carly Stecker, who they had had to call to the set because he was acting up so much, and he even bit him and Stecker gave an interview with the New York Tribune about so like the papers in the trade are just all over this. You know, what is wrong with Joe Martin? know, Hollywood.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:26:41.853)

Yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:26:54.597)

Of course. Why is this monkey doing so much monkey business? It is monkey business galore.

Trae (01:26:57.352)

Hollywood star on the outs, Beverly Hills. Yeah, right. So they in New York Tribune interviewed Carly.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:27:04.669)

Show business and monkey business when they collide.

Trae (01:27:08.3)

They asked him what was going on and Curly said quote,

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:27:20.573)

DARE IT!

Trae (01:27:35.722)

And we have imported his bride at great expense. He's had his way far too often, like some humans, and this has made him selfish and ornery. But with a spry young lady orangutan in the cage, things will be different.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:27:39.281)

He got a mail order bro-

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:27:45.049)

god.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:27:54.255)

Unbelievable. god, don't tell me.

Trae (01:27:57.43)

Yeah, in April 1923, Curly Stekker was very nearly killed when another animal in Universal's menagerie, Charlie the elephant, snapped, went berserk and started attacking everybody and tried to smush Curly Stekker to death.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:27:59.293)

Did he?

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:28:14.599)

See now, elephant, that's one that I'm like, I think they'd be, cause they don't, do elephants have a natural predator? Like, elephants just kind of hit. They just kind of run around and hit. So like when people shoot an elephant, I'm like, dude, fuck you. Cause nobody eats elephant meat. They just take it for the tusks. So like, you're not do that. And an elephant at a circus, it's like, I think they would rather be in the Sahara, you know?

Trae (01:28:21.76)

I don't think so. think, like, I think so, yeah, but...

Trae (01:28:32.803)

So.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:28:40.433)

Not the Sahara, but you know, the jungle.

Trae (01:28:43.436)

Carly Stecker, when he got attacked by Charlie the Elephant, it didn't kill him right off, but it fucked him up bad. Broke a bunch of ribs, concussion. mean, you know, getting attacked by an elephant don't hurt. And, so they immediately euthanized Charlie the Elephant and Stecker went into the hospital or whatever and eventually died less than a year later. says from leukemia, Carly Stecker. Yeah, died a year later. It said that he died from leukemia, but on the

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:28:53.019)

No it don't hit.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:28:57.788)

Yeah, aw.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:29:03.763)

Snicker?

That elephant gave him leukemia?

Trae (01:29:11.542)

report or whatever it listed wild animal injury as a complicating factor on his death certificate. At the time that Charlie the elephant attacked and ultimately killed Curly Stecker, Joe Martin, Joe Martin was already regarded as insane. However. However, the studio still wanted Joe Martin to appear in the 1923 picture, Merry Go Round, but director Eric von Stroheim refused to work with him.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:29:17.723)

He stomped cancer into this motherfucker.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:29:25.237)

What?

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:29:36.285)

Course.

Trae (01:29:40.834)

which is funny. like, it's me or him. It's me or him or whoever I'm telling you right now. Right. And they picked the monkey. They fired that director, told him to get the fuck out of there. Cause it's Joe Martin's way or the highway. And they fired him and replaced him with somebody who would play ball, Rupert Julian. And Joe Martin did in fact appear in the film, but virtually all of the footage was him by himself. Cause his

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:29:41.139)

No, get this monkey out of here!

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:29:49.979)

Girard de Pardue still gets work buddy. You know what I mean?

Trae (01:30:09.652)

his interactions with other players had to be strictly limited. and that ended up being his last movie. Curly was dead, his lifelong trainer and buddy was dead. He couldn't be, he couldn't be, he couldn't be put with people anymore. He couldn't, know, he couldn't do much. You couldn't do anything with him, but put him in a cage and turn a camera on. And he, know, he just, he wasn't hitting them more because he was like, fuck all this shit. And he's, know,

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:30:14.247)

Yeah, yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:30:20.999)

Did they bring another guy in?

Trae (01:30:33.112)

clearly insane. So in this, this, downhill, you know, that even the whole time that there was not going to be a happy ending.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:30:36.667)

I know what's happening. I'm thinking about that Wesley Snipes gif where he's crying, you know, from New Jack City or whatever it is, or Boys in the Hood when he's crying having to shoot a motherfucker like...

Trae (01:30:44.065)

Right, yeah.

Trae (01:30:49.358)

They, on December 31st, 1923, Joe Martin was sold to the AIG Barnes Circus. And he was, yeah, sold to the circus in 1923. And then, well, I mean, you know, they, like, mean, circuses at this time, dogs, they did not hit. I mean, I'm just saying, it's like, he got sent to like fucking monkey concentration camp, basically.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:30:59.251)

That's not what I thought.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:31:08.103)

They killed him.

Right.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:31:15.313)

Right.

Trae (01:31:19.318)

except if, you know, people were like eating popcorn and shit outside of that concentration camp. It's like concentration camp, where you have to be a clown at it. On the circus, know, he was like, you know, world famous Joe Martin, star of stage and screen, that type of thing. Yeah, he's not, used to be somebody.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:31:24.103)

Yep.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:31:28.957)

You're right.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:31:34.055)

Right. You know that bothered him.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:31:40.307)

Well, dude, like they fucking Jake Lamada, man, you the boxer like, you know, raging bull was based on Jake Lamada. And then like that movie made him such a hit. But then later in his life, they were literally like his wife. He was like had dementia and shit. And his wife was like driving him around to VFW is to do appearances and like he could barely move. And they were like, he was like a putt. He was like weekend at Bernie shit. So like this is what's happened to our boy, Joe Martin. It don't hit.

Trae (01:32:06.678)

Right. during his years at the circus, he would periodically escape or try to escape, but fuck his cage up. He would attack other performers and he was just always causing trouble. They tried to placate him with whiskey and cigars, which it's reported he was fond of. Those did hit for him. Yeah, right. Yeah. And then they're not exactly sure how long he made it. They think that 1931 is

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:32:20.689)

Yeah, that didn't work. Of course. He, he was a hitter.

Trae (01:32:35.342)

probably the year that Joe Martin finally died after these years of general obscurity in that circus and just raising hell and getting drunk, smoking cigars and shit, which, you know, is Mariucci, both hits and doesn't hit. But yeah, but he, it says he may have well been one of the longest lived orangutans in overseas captivity during that era. Man, was about between 20 and 20 or

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:32:46.983)

Yeah, didn't have to see D-Day, you know.

Trae (01:33:05.326)

Let's see here. What's 19? Yeah. 15 to 20 years old, right? Which is like, don't seem that long, but I guess for a captive pack a day, heavy drinking circus monkey is pretty good. All right.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:33:10.28)

Right.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:33:18.055)

Yeah. Do you think that the monkey who played Dunston and Dunston checks in looked up to Joe Martin? Like that was one of his like. Cause like we did in the nineties, we started doing some shit like that again, like air bud Dunston checks in. It's only now that we really don't have any animal based movies where the animal is the star. Like that was kind of a thing in the nineties. Like Dunston did like, I feel like he did like three movies.

Trae (01:33:26.818)

Right, yeah. That was one of the greats. It's like, yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:33:46.203)

And then I think they had a monkey and sister act or something like that. And then there was fucking, like I said, airbud had all types of sequels. They was doing all.

Trae (01:33:53.496)

Yeah, well they finally just, you know, we don't do that anymore. Cause people are like, you know, we can't do that no more. that's why I mean that to do it, to do it. Yeah. Well to do it now, they'd have to CGI the whole thing, which they would totally do if they thought that it would make enough money, which you ain't going to do that for some silly ass dog playing basketball movie. You know what I mean? You'll CGI that for like the jungle book remake, which was pretty sweet. you know, yeah, the jungle book.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:33:59.719)

They also said a dog couldn't play basketball, but he did.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:34:05.425)

Yeah, and that don't hit.

Yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:34:14.14)

Yeah, of course.

Of course. What was it really? I didn't.

Trae (01:34:22.392)

The Jungle Book one was one of the first ones and it's rad. I don't remember who, it's got a stack cast, but I don't remember who plays who, but Bill Murray is blue, I think.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:34:25.395)

Because Idris Elba plays the panther, right?

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:34:31.271)

Who's you don't remember who plays below because it needs to be Jeff. never mind. It's good. All right. I because I was made my brain. I was like it has to be Jeff Bridges or and then you said it Bill Murray.

Trae (01:34:41.55)

but no, it's good. That was directed by John Favreau. It hits. but then like later years later, they got to the lion King and it, that ain't even worth watching. But I think it's direct. I think it's directed by John Favreau too, actually, but it, but that one don't hit, but the jungle book one does it. So that's my assessment.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:34:51.281)

Yeah. Well, the Beauty and the Beast one I loved because our, yeah, for the record, yeah, for the record, I love the Beauty and the Beast one. And it might be just because my niece loves it so much and I watch it with her, but our boy Dan Stevens plays the beast and Emma, girl from, you know, Harry Potter, she plays Belle and Emma Watson. And I think it's a, I think it's a bang up job.

Trae (01:35:07.873)

Yeah, he's awesome.

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Trae (01:35:15.468)

Watson? Yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:35:19.923)

Great movie. love it. But again, it's, I mean, it's the same fucking story, whatever, but like I genuinely just love Dan's Dan Stevens. Honestly, kind of to me is that if he's in something, I'm going to watch it. I just like him a lot. well,

Trae (01:35:34.2)

So let's do it. I know, I mean, we, you know, took up all the time. Do have to do at least one this week in Fancy Story? We can make it quick. Just because it's supposed to be a weekly segment and we ain't even done it. So just pick a short one and we'll go home after air mail. Yeah. Yeah. Cheerio. No, ballet is very fancy though. it's so this week in Fancy does fit. So.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:35:36.965)

No, we got to just do airmail and go home. We got to just...

Okay. I'll do one this week and

That's true. That's true. Yeah. Russian ballet dancer murdered. So not good, not good. But ballet is yeah, I mean, yeah. So a Russian ballet star. You know what? Let me open the link because I definitely want to say his name. Vladimir. Yeah, no, Vladimir Shrilevov. He.

Trae (01:36:09.006)

Grigorovich Ibrahimovitch. I don't know. What is it?

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:36:16.283)

He was a top ballet dancer in Russia and he, well, you're not going to believe this. He criticized Putin's Ukraine invasion and then shortly thereafter, died from a fall in St. Petersburg. Is there any

Trae (01:36:28.856)

Yeah. Tragically expelled from a winter and only the age of 32. Russians really don't hit at not falling out of windows. they've it's an epidemic over there. I don't know anybody that's ever followed out of a winter here, but over there, that's every other, every other day, somebody's falling out of a window. I don't know if it's the quality of their windows, the integrity of the windows. Maybe they're suspect. They need some higher quality assurance standards.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:36:33.031)

Yeah.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:36:38.247)

Nope.

They stay falling out of windows.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:36:52.614)

Right. They don't hit.

Trae (01:36:58.61)

Or if the people just have a penchant for leaning out of winders and then losing their balance, it is strange. No, no, I don't think anybody thinks they're being defenestrated. Of course not. It's auto-defenestrated perhaps, know, hurling themselves out of a window. Yeah, it is, it is, I mean, yeah, look, I mean, we all clearly, we all know what happened, but.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:37:04.273)

I think it might be that it's certainly not the obvious. think it's that they're pinch on for leaning out of windows. Right. But you know what?

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:37:16.665)

Auto-definition. That's what we should. Yeah.

Trae (01:37:26.196)

It is kind of funny to imagine that like instead of what really did happen, some fucking goon put a bag over his head and hurled him from a window for talking shit. it's funny to imagine instead him like very fancifully and elaborately pirouetting just off a building. You know what I mean? Like if you decide, if you decide you want to jump off a building, doing it in like fucking Swan Lake fashion or whatever would be like a nice stylistic choice.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:37:34.033)

Of course.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:37:44.441)

Yeah. And almost flying for a second.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:37:56.253)

Couldn't agree more.

Trae (01:37:56.268)

It's like, who's the comedian? There's a comedian who said once, was it like Steven Wright or somebody that was like, is like, look, if you're going to fucking maybe. Exactly. Yes. It's like if it's Kyle Canane, Kyle Canane, maybe it's like, yeah, it's like if you're going to jump off a fucking building, it's like have some have some fire, put, you know, put a little glass of water down there, something like that, which is so funny. Like.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:38:05.629)

Put a glass of water at the bottom. It wasn't Steven Wright. was fucking... No, was... No, dude. It was like... It was Steven Wright.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:38:20.487)

Bro, I kind of think it was Dane Cook in a premium blend. It was either him or Daniel Tosh. It was, I, I, as soon you said that, I remembered it so much that like, or dude, it might've been Christian Finnegan of all people. I'm doing, like my brain's doing some weird shit right now, but they're like, yeah, put a glass of water at the bottom and make it look like you were a magician who was really trying something. You know what I mean? Like, I don't think it was Steven Wright. I think it was a premium blend pull.

Trae (01:38:49.006)

Damn it. typed in, I tried to type in just to quote the words. If you jump off a building, put a glass of water down there and all of Google is just like, if you need help, call this number, you know, don't do it. Don't kill yourself. It's like, God damn it. Fucking use some contacts clothes, you know?

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:38:58.011)

Yeah, of course. Woke, mind virus. I'm kidding. Right. Well, dude, their context is you because you're the searcher. So they do think you want to kill yourself.

Trae (01:39:09.447)

And then I type in stand up if you jump off a building and that doesn't help

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:39:16.497)

I think it was an early premium blend thing. cause I remember that a lot. It cracked me up so hard because I was very suicidal in high school and it was still am used to be too. And, it was so fun. Swartzen.

Trae (01:39:31.534)

I don't know.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:39:31.984)

Whatever. It don't fucking matter. But here's what I wanted to say about this story. Well, we'll find we'll find it off air. it but but what I wanted to say about the defenestration situation and listen, this show ain't political. We know that this is an escape from all that. However, we're at the end of the show. So whatever. But B, I have no problem and nobody should have a problem with saying fuck Vladimir Putin and fuck Russia. That ain't goddamn.

Trae (01:39:34.528)

It is bothering me that I'm gonna find it at some point, but anyway.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:40:01.255)

That ain't political, in my opinion. That's just me being a fan of 80s movies. Fuck them. All right. It is funny to me, though, that like they have stuck really hard with defenestration because over here, if you criticize Boeing, you get shot, you get drowned. Like we mix it up. You know what I mean? We spread it around. Putin seems to be like, no, you throw out the window. That is the way that it's go. Like they own. They only do that. Like we don't do that here.

Trae (01:40:05.4)

Mm-hmm.

Trae (01:40:20.812)

the

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:40:29.671)

We hanging in the sale.

Trae (01:40:30.072)

Well, you know, it's cultural thing. If it ain't broke, don't break it. You know, if I can, just do what you love.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:40:33.627)

Yeah, but it makes it so obvious. It makes it so obvious. And like, that's that's the part that I they want that. Of course, they want. I know. I know that. Then why the fuck don't other people in countries go? It's clearly they don't hit. You know what I mean? Like. In America, we have the good graces to at least pretend like we hit and we aren't killing our ops. You know what I mean?

Trae (01:40:39.936)

Yeah, but they want, I mean, they want everyone to know what happened. don't like.

Trae (01:40:56.353)

I don't know.

Trae (01:41:02.178)

Mm-hmm.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:41:03.057)

Like, you know, when the Clinton thing, when the homie ran out to his truck and shot his head and he like, we at least make it look like it could be something else. They don't, Putin don't give a fuck, boy. He's just like, I want them to know I threw him out of a window. And then there's still a large margin of people who are like, man, you know, fucking support that side, you know, whatever. I don't fucking know. But that's

Trae (01:41:27.572)

Mm-hmm. I don't either.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:41:29.521)

That's what I had. We're out of time. You want me to do airmail or airmail?

Trae (01:41:32.507)

Yeah, I'll do one or two if you want to or not. I mean, we could not.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:41:36.325)

No, I'm going to. I'm going to. People deserve it. People deserve it. And I got to tell you, last week we talked about Jeremy Clarkson and I said, I said, Hey, everybody, please prove us wrong on Jeremy Clarkson. Send it in to puttingonairs.gmail.com, which is where you can send your airmail and every single, every single piece of airmail we got this week was about Jeremy Clarkson. So I will read, well, okay. That's not true. There's one that wasn't about

Trae (01:41:59.67)

okay.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:42:04.0)

Jeremy Clarkson, I'll read that first because it'll hit for you. Subject line, I'm so sorry I said 50%.

Lessons and yeah, and by the way last week you briefly mentioned Jeffrey Dahmer saying that most people thought he was completely normal, which is why you know, whatever Corey you're fine. I would hug you anytime didn't know the name back there would raise such a giggle by the way. You still didn't say I wasn't fat. You just said you'd hug me anytime. That's the behavior of someone like like that's it.

Trae (01:42:15.388)

yeah, okay. I know who this is.

Trae (01:42:41.528)

Is that it? That's the whole thing?

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:42:43.675)

Never said you're not never said you're not fat. You're fine. Whatever was just I'm sorry for saying it. Me too, because I just saw the subject and I was like, I know who this person is like they're going to they're going to come in here and say I look good or what? No, I'm sorry for saying it. I'm sorry for saying it. You're fine. You're fine. Whatever. You're fine. Marjorie. I've I've since message Marjorie and she knows that I'm not and and she knows that.

Trae (01:42:49.103)

I thought there was going to be more to it. That's funny.

Trae (01:42:54.605)

Yeah.

Trae (01:42:57.898)

You're fine. You're fine. Yep. Yep. You're fine. Give you a hug, I guess.

Trae (01:43:10.231)

Of you have.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:43:11.419)

No, no, no, I'm saying before I even saw this email, because she's on my she's at WeLoveCory.com and she was like on a post I made. She's like, my God, I'm so sorry. And I was like, baby, I don't care. It was a funny moment. It's fine. And then she sent sent me this. like, I promise you, it's OK. This is from our buddy, Matt. Hey, guys, love the show. I'm glad I discovered it a little late because I can listen to old episodes all day during work regarding Jeremy Clarkson. I'm so surprised you guys haven't watched Clarkson's.

Trae (01:43:15.704)

Okay.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:43:40.147)

Clarkson's farm on Prime. It feels like it's right up PoA's alley. It's a reality show about a filthy rich guy, Jeremy Clarkson, who owns a massive beautiful farm that he's always leased out the farmland on. He decides he doesn't want to, or he decides he wants to farm it and knows nothing about farming. So it's his journey being a colossal dumbass about farming, making mistakes, being hilarious, having a ton of money just to try out new things. It's hilarious and I'm sure you'd both love it. P.S.

I miss the Lansing show tray, but if any of you guys make it back up to mission, that'd be awesome. this subject line is Clarkson, the truth. Hey guys, listening to the pot on my walk and want to set the record straight on Jeremy Clarkson. He is in fact a piece of shit. And speaking of which I have left sexier looking things in the toilet after a day on the beers and hot curry. This is a friend of ours from across the pond. Keep up the good work. G dog.

Trae (01:44:32.376)

Mm-hmm.

Trae (01:44:37.014)

Yep. That farm thing apparently he's currently engaged in some kind of political dispute because he's like protesting with farmers to try to get inherent in his tax. And it's like, but the whole reason he even has that farm is because he was trying to do a tax loophole thing. So it's like some typical rich guy bullshit.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:44:37.573)

And last one. Go ahead.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:44:43.441)

He's leading the march on inheritance tax.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:44:53.427)

Yeah. Yes. It's very different than the people who were just born into it and are like working their ass off to farm and stuff. And he's the, yeah, he's the leading charge. Last one, Jeremy Clarkson, King of the Hill and Toby Keith. I love it. I'm going to try to keep this quick. Y'all always do.

Trae (01:45:00.172)

Right.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:45:13.147)

Brits view Clarkson as an oath every Brit I have ever met thinks he represents the country poorly The sexiest man thing has to be a joke like a bunch of people voting for him online Specifically to fuck up the results that makes sense Top Gear season 15 episode 7 the boys embark on an Appalachian road trip up the Blue Ridge Parkway in three European supercars They sent a link, but I didn't put it up here

The Top Gear Vietnam Special and the Arctic Special are great too. All the specials really. King of the Hill. I know Josh Heiple looks like Bobby, but I can't help but think middle school Cho kinda was Bobby.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:45:56.069)

Is BP is BP. Yeah.

Trae (01:45:56.366)

I was probably more of a Bobby than Joe was in middle school. Really, what I really, I've always thought I was more accurately was I was a white manny for modern family when I was in middle school.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:46:06.687)

yeah, you 100 % were and I and dude, I'll say it. I don't mind shitting on myself. I was Cartman way more than I was Bobby. Bobby had a soul. I didn't, you know, for a long time. King of like I said, is BPP Hank? Yes, that dynamic 100 % my dad is Hank and I'm Bobby in terms of like like my dad don't sell propane. He's in the kind of creative arts too. But like as far as like damn Bobby.

Trae (01:46:17.08)

Mm-hmm.

Trae (01:46:27.224)

Mm-hmm.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:46:34.609)

Like he said that to me more than he said, I love you, which I know for a fact, cause that's only been twice. Yeah. Twice two to zero. I lived in Texas for 12 years in Georgia for nine. So I know the accent is completely different, but having had several members of the family on the podcast at this point and having heard many stories about show growing up, I can't help but think is the Forster family, the Georgia version of the king of the hill discuss. lastly,

Trae (01:46:39.262)

Yeah, five to none. Yeah, okay. Okay.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:47:02.183)

Y'all remember the time Toby Keith stole a Robert Earl Keene song and the Dixie Chicks pointed it out. So instead of suing Toby Keith, Robert Earl Keene just put out a Toby Keith diss track. I remember. What? I don't know that. was just, dude, today, Robert Earl Keene announced that he was going back on tour after a year of sobriety and retiring. So I've been thinking about him a lot and I feel like I would have known that. So I'm going to look it up.

I just ran the Athens Georgia half marathon and listened to POA for about seven miles. Thanks for keeping my mind distracted from the pain. Corey, you were wrong about the squirrels. God damn, this motherfucker just got it out for me. I'll have to look up that Robert O'Keen diss track about Toby Keith, because I didn't know that, but that's fantastic. Trey, where you going to be?

Trae (01:47:36.438)

It's... It's... Yeah.

I didn't know that either. All right. In December, in order from the first weekend through first week, I'm in the Bay Area. Then December 12th through the 14th, I'm with this Cherubic feller and our bud... Huh? The Bay Area and back now. Yeah, I do that frequently, but I'm in the Bay Area the first weekend in December 12th through the 14th. I'm with this Cherubic feller and our buddy Drew in Nashville at Thainy's all together.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:47:56.199)

So the Bay Area and back down. The Bay Area and back down.

Trae (01:48:10.254)

right at the holiday time as we always do and it's very fun. And then the last show of year for me is December 21st at the Den Theater in Chicago, Illinois. Christmas in Chicago, looking forward to it. Got a ton of dates already booked for 2025 as well. They're all on TreyCrowder.com. Check them out, come see me.

Corey Ryan Forrester (01:48:27.207)

That's right. I'm to be on a show with Trey and so is Drew, but you can find them at treycrowder.com because it's not that weird. I am at welovecory.com for my bonus stuff. And like I said, you can get some new POA merch at cory, c-o-r-e-y, shirts.com. Also check me out in the Atlanta journal constitution and check out our other podcast, Well Read and of course, Weekly Skews. And aside from that, stay fancy, motherfuckers.

Trae (01:48:57.198)

Thank you.